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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 12:16:46 GMT
You’re welcome. I sadly don’t see them changing it in the TV show now either and the problem is Superman has long been portrayed as a light superhero who was a symbol of hope to people while Supergirl (Linda Danvers and most later versions of Kara Zor-El) were portrayed as aggressive and edgy superheroes who in some ways they were the opposite of Superman. The two work together ‘cause they were so different from each other personality wise and Clark and Kara clashed a lot in the comic books over how they should use their superpowers and how they should fight villains but they always made up and worked together in the end to defeat the villains when they teamed up. ‘Man of Steel’ took some of the darker tone from the ‘Supergirl’ comic books but they didn’t make Clark aggressive or edgy like Kara or go in a Horror direction.
It is important to note in the comic books there have been two main Supergirl’s. There was Kara Zor El who is the character they are using in the current ‘Supergirl’ show and then there is Linda Danvers who was actually the star of the biggest selling series of ‘Supergirl.’ Linda Danvers very different than Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) and Superman and instead of being Kryptonin she started out as a human who was a former drug addict and member of a demonic cult who sacrificed people to demons and when her boyfriend, Buzz (the cult leader) turned on Linda and tried to sacrifice her to a demon the Matrix intervened and saved her. Linda Danvers then merged with the Matrix to become the new Supergirl and she fought demons, vampires, monsters, aliens, werewolves, zombies, witches and even Lucifer to redeem her darkened soul.
Her powers while somewhat similar to Superman also included the ability to shapeshift, heal people, teleport, wings of flame, Telekinesis, make portals, absorb fire, shoot telekinetic blasts out of her hands, can blow things up by focusing on them with her mind and see the last few seconds of a dead person’s life just by looking into their eyes. After separating from the Matrix she went on to become the Earth Born Angel of Fire and was described as the most powerful being in the DC Universe. Unlike Kara and a lot of other DC characters Linda throughout the series too and was a teenager at the start and a 28 year old woman with a daughter at the end. Linda Danvers was my favourite character and if you never read the series it is worth checking out. I collected all the comic books when they first came out and they are currently being re-released in graphic novel form. There was a movie of the ‘Supergirl/Linda Danvers’ series in development back in the early 00s and Peter David was writing the script for it and Alicia Silverstone was the frontrunner for the role and a lot of people in DC thought it would be very successful and would attract ‘Buffy’ fans but one of the heads of Warner Bros stopped it from going through ‘cause he didn’t want to have an edgier Supergirl than Superman on screen which was a joke.
The Linda Danvers Supergirl sounds more interesting. It would be nice to see Supergirl battling vampires, zombies, werewolves and other supernatural entities. I have never associated the character with those elements. If CBS went with that approach it would definitely be more like Buffy, which isn't a bad thing. I came across this article from Deadine, and when they were still pitching the show, the showrunners said they were going to do a "new" interpretation of Supergirl and her story. Well it isn't really new because as Dazz said she's really just a female Clark Kent. Yeah. Linda Danvers is more interesting and unique. Not only did she have her own superpowers and backstory that was very different than Superman’s and any other superhero we have seen on screen she had her own reoccurring villains and setting in Leesburg. You might also be interested to know Linda wore a blonde wig when she was Supergirl and her real hair colour was brown (as seen below). If they had gone through with the Linda Danvers/Supergirl’ movie that was being written by her creator, Peter David it would have been very different than the show we have now and the Helen Slater movie and I think we would still have her as the Supergirl today and a number of people working at DC have even said it ‘cause she was more popular than Kara and a movie could have seen her explode. The ‘Linda Danvers’ series got more fan letters from female readers than any other comic book series ever had at the time and was more popular among female readers than Wonder Woman. One funny thing about Linda Danvers you might not be aware of is she married Superman in the comic books and they had a daughter together who was Supergirl in the future.
Linda Danvers was meant to continue as Superwoman after they brought back Kara Zor-El but sadly, Peter David had a falling out with one of the high ups at DC in the mid 00s over the direction of the character and left the company. There was an unofficial follow up series he made called 'Fallen Angel' (which was actually originally meant to be the name of the comic books but DC made him tone it down a lot and decided to make Linda the new 'Supergirl') and in 'Fallen Angel' the lead character Liandra Lee mentions a lot of the events that happened in the 'Supergirl' comic books and is very similar to Linda in personality and when asked if she was the same character Peter David said yes but he couldn't confirm it being under another company.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 12:33:08 GMT
And nobody is questioning her knowledge or passion. What I don't agree with is that the Berlantiverse Supergirl HAS to be the same character as the comics, or is intended to BE the same character. I agree the TV version shouldn't be like her comic version or needs to be for it to work, I do however think Deb's gripe to a degree is a valid one in that the one thing she shouldn't be same with Green Arrow is that they shouldn't be portrayed as the misinformed idea most general audiences have of the characters prior to the shows, ie Green Arrow shouldn't be Batman with a Robin Hood fetish nor should Supergirl be Superman just in a skirt.
I mean sure they shows take baby steps away from that as we go along but both shows are basically formed on that premise because these shows are clearly stand ins for the bigger IP's DC is holding off for the big screen, but the shows should be making greater strides to turn the heroes into more in line with their source material as we go along, atleast personality wise even if for Supergirl it's only for a short time as clearly for a CW show aimed at a younger female demo having Supergirl be borderline psychotic is not something that can fly for long.
I don't think the building a team around her hurts the show really it's more about how it's handled that matters, much like in Flash where to justify the team they have to constantly deemphasise Barry and his abilities Supergirl has the same issue, instead of diminishing your hero to make their cohorts be useful simple embellish the villains to where it makes sense the hero needs back up.
Basically if the show was of a higher quality then the same set up would work fine because it's the quality of the stories that are at fault not so much the framework for the stories, Arrow is a great example of this the same things happen in s1 & 2 as they did in later seasons but the quality was up to snuff in those earlier seasons so the things like Felicity being Deus Ex Hachina, the team arguing with Oliver, Felicity being petty and self involved, and so on weren't an issue at the time because we were enjoying the show more.
So basically even if the gave as a Supergirl in story elements, plot set ups, genre tropes and so on Deb would want the show would still be iffy because the people writing it would fuck it up regardless.
Well, I don't think the show needs to be exactly like the 'Supergirl' comic books for it to work either but what I would like to see is some basic resemblance of the character they are adapting which we don't see at all. It is all Superman and not Supergirl and is Supergirl in name only and that is one of the main problems I have had with a number of characters in the Arrowverse including Green Arrow, The Black Canary, Anarky, Prometheus and Doctor Alchemy but 'Supergirl' goes further to be a 'Superman' TV show with a female lead right down to the glasses, the geeky personality, working at a newspaper and even copying the ending of the pilot of 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman' where Clark confronts Lex with Kara confronting Maxwell Lord. At least with the Green Arrow while he might be more like Batman than he is in the comic books but they did keep a number of elements from the comic books and have had Green Arrow characters and villains. We are only getting some Supergirl villains from the comic books like Reign now and we have yet to have Comet, Power Girl or Twilight but have had a HEAP of Superman characters like James Olsen, Lucy Lane, Lena Luthor, Cat Grant, Maxwell Lord, Morgan Edge and even Martian Manhunter. Either way I completely agree with you about the writers fucking it up regardless and the writers have long been a problem with these shows.
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Post by dazz on Apr 21, 2018 12:48:13 GMT
With Arrow though we had the same thing apart from Merlyn we didn't really get any GA villains except for VOTW types once or twice it's all more Batman than GA it seemed like.
My thing is I get them copying the more established mainstream characters to start but as the shows progressed we should get closer to faithful versions of the characters, you know use the better recognised counterpart copying to hook an audience then gradually show them what the character is meant to be.
As we are however 6 seasons into Arrow and apart from the odd comic accurate element he's still no where close to his comic counterpart so I wouldn't hold out too much hope for Supergirl, but I don't think a more comic accurate arc wouldn't hurt the series, it looked like we may have been getting that at the start of this season with Kara embracing being Kara Zor-El and rejecting Kara Danvers but it was too superficial and didn't last long enough, but it's also a reason why I think a LOSH arc would play great, as they could embrace those parts of the character for a 4-6 episode run where what she does only impacts her personality wise but not in a continuity way, her going darker and violent in the 31st century or whatever wouldn't ruin Supergirl as a hero in the 21st century image wise, which is the one thing I think would hold the show back as how do you justify the people idolising Supergirl as a hero and role model if she's dropping pricks out the sky to go splat?
No excuses for Arrow however as whats the harm in letting Oliver be more goody goody every now & then?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 12:37:29 GMT
With Arrow though we had the same thing apart from Merlyn we didn't really get any GA villains except for VOTW types once or twice it's all more Batman than GA it seemed like. My thing is I get them copying the more established mainstream characters to start but as the shows progressed we should get closer to faithful versions of the characters, you know use the better recognised counterpart copying to hook an audience then gradually show them what the character is meant to be. As we are however 6 seasons into Arrow and apart from the odd comic accurate element he's still no where close to his comic counterpart so I wouldn't hold out too much hope for Supergirl, but I don't think a more comic accurate arc wouldn't hurt the series, it looked like we may have been getting that at the start of this season with Kara embracing being Kara Zor-El and rejecting Kara Danvers but it was too superficial and didn't last long enough, but it's also a reason why I think a LOSH arc would play great, as they could embrace those parts of the character for a 4-6 episode run where what she does only impacts her personality wise but not in a continuity way, her going darker and violent in the 31st century or whatever wouldn't ruin Supergirl as a hero in the 21st century image wise, which is the one thing I think would hold the show back as how do you justify the people idolising Supergirl as a hero and role model if she's dropping pricks out the sky to go splat? No excuses for Arrow however as whats the harm in letting Oliver be more goody goody every now & then? You have a good point but with 'Arrow' they have had more Green Arrow villains like Brick, Drakon, China White, Hannibal Bates, Cupid, Count Vertigo and Richard Dragon (who although didn't start out as a Green Arrow has appeared in quite a few Green Arrow comic books) apart from Merlyn and that is more than they have had on 'Supergirl' and if they use Lady Shiva she was a character that appeared in a number of Green Arrow comic books apart from 'Batman', 'Batgirl' and 'Birds Of Prey' and she actually made her debut in the Richard Dragon comic books. I think there are a lot of elements copied from Batman though and Oliver is more like Batman than Green Arrow which is why it is odd they got rid of Queen Industries since it is another similar Oliver has in common with Batman in the comic books with Wayne Enterprises. With Green Arrow though he was already established on 'Smallville' and was one of the most popular characters on that show. I mean 'Arrow' was originally meant to be for Justin Hartley until they decided to change it so I am surprised they didn't go with something a lot closer to that version than Batman.
I am not going to hold on too much for 'Supergirl' 'cause I sadly don't think the show will ever become like it is supposed to be which is why I have more faith in a movie version doing that since a movie adaption would be more likely to differentiate itself from the TV show and kick all the super friends out just like 'The Flash' movie is very likely not to have Cisco, Caitlin, Joe or Harry. Personality wise I can't see Kara changing in the TV show now 'cause they humanised her too much having her grow up on earth instead of waking up around the age of 18 but I think they should still have more proper Supergirl characters and villains and bring in more of the Horror elements and with 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' having demons now there is no reason why 'Supergirl' can't have more of the Horror villains.
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Post by dazz on Apr 26, 2018 12:48:32 GMT
As Bates never appeared in Arrow he doesn't count but otherwise outside on main villains so Diaz is out Arrow tends to give us 1 Arrow sort of villain for ever 7 episodes, but given how half half of those are via China White and she aint been seen for 3 years Arrows actually gotten worse at this it seems, still surely we got atleast 8 episodes at this point of Supergirl villains not including seasonal bi bads right?
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Post by hardball on Apr 26, 2018 13:53:34 GMT
With Arrow though we had the same thing apart from Merlyn we didn't really get any GA villains except for VOTW types once or twice it's all more Batman than GA it seemed like. My thing is I get them copying the more established mainstream characters to start but as the shows progressed we should get closer to faithful versions of the characters, you know use the better recognised counterpart copying to hook an audience then gradually show them what the character is meant to be. As we are however 6 seasons into Arrow and apart from the odd comic accurate element he's still no where close to his comic counterpart so I wouldn't hold out too much hope for Supergirl, but I don't think a more comic accurate arc wouldn't hurt the series, it looked like we may have been getting that at the start of this season with Kara embracing being Kara Zor-El and rejecting Kara Danvers but it was too superficial and didn't last long enough, but it's also a reason why I think a LOSH arc would play great, as they could embrace those parts of the character for a 4-6 episode run where what she does only impacts her personality wise but not in a continuity way, her going darker and violent in the 31st century or whatever wouldn't ruin Supergirl as a hero in the 21st century image wise, which is the one thing I think would hold the show back as how do you justify the people idolising Supergirl as a hero and role model if she's dropping pricks out the sky to go splat? No excuses for Arrow however as whats the harm in letting Oliver be more goody goody every now & then? You have a good point but with 'Arrow' they have had more Green Arrow villains like Brick, Drakon, China White, Hannibal Bates, Cupid, Count Vertigo and Richard Dragon (who although didn't start out as a Green Arrow has appeared in quite a few Green Arrow comic books) apart from Merlyn and that is more than they have had on 'Supergirl' and if they use Lady Shiva she was a character that appeared in a number of Green Arrow comic books apart from 'Batman', 'Batgirl' and 'Birds Of Prey' and she actually made her debut in the Richard Dragon comic books. I think there are a lot of elements copied from Batman though and Oliver is more like Batman than Green Arrow which is why it is odd they got rid of Queen Industries since it is another similar Oliver has in common with Batman in the comic books with Wayne Enterprises. With Green Arrow though he was already established on 'Smallville' and was one of the most popular characters on that show. I mean 'Arrow' was originally meant to be for Justin Hartley until they decided to change it so I am surprised they didn't go with something a lot closer to that version than Batman.
I am not going to hold on too much for 'Supergirl' 'cause I sadly don't think the show will ever become like it is supposed to be which is why I have more faith in a movie version doing that since a movie adaption would be more likely to differentiate itself from the TV show and kick all the super friends out just like 'The Flash' movie is very likely not to have Cisco, Caitlin, Joe or Harry. Personality wise I can't see Kara changing in the TV show now 'cause they humanised her too much having her grow up on earth instead of waking up around the age of 18 but I think they should still have more proper Supergirl characters and villains and bring in more of the Horror elements and with 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' having demons now there is no reason why 'Supergirl' can't have more of the Horror villains. Agree that having Kara grow up on Earth was a mistake. Adjusting to life on earth, its people, culture, ways, etc would have made for a more interesting backstory. Instead we have her acting like any young adult rather than that of an alien torn between protecting this world and looking for acceptance among its inhabitants. Regarding the use of Superman characters rather than those of the Supergirl comics, the writers are probably focused on the general audience. I would venture that most people who watch the show don't read comics and don't know who Supergirl is. To the average viewer, Supergirl is a female version of Superman, and for better or worse that is what the writers are giving the audience.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Apr 26, 2018 14:21:04 GMT
I don't think that's limited to just people who aren't avid comic book readers. I've been reading them for a long time, and while familiar with the human/matrix version of Supergirl, I never knew that version of the character to be such a distinct take on a character. I was under the impression that she was more of a patchwork character, who DC was constantly trying to find ways to make relevant or mainstream by adding new facets that never seemed to catch on; leading to a characterization that was disjointed and poorly defined. That's not to say that, that's actually what it was, but in contrast to other characters, I don't think the Linds Danvers version of Supergirl seeped into mythos of the greater DC cannon as to become ubiquitous.
My Impression of the Supergirl tv show wasn't so much that they were turning her into a female Supergroup, so much as following her first comic book iteration, to some degree. In contrast to the iteration we saw in Smallville, or the post-Infinite Crisis (?), or New 52 versions, I can make my piece with what we have. I don't think this will be a popular opinion, but I couldn't stand Kara on Smallville. I didn't care for Laura Vandervort in the role, I didn't like the character's arrogance or that she was older than - or at least the same age as Clark; and I especially hated that she effectively became Supergirl before Clark became Superman. That last part wasn't anything specific to her, so much as how it played into the running theme during the final few years of the show where Clark's role as a hero became muddled in favor of other heroes, in an effort to run out the clock and not have him be Superman until the end of the series. The result being that Clark was all but the last hero to come into being, when he's supposed to be the first, and set the standard of those who follow.
The post-Infinite Crisis comic book Supergirl, or whenever it was that she was rebooted as another Krypton survivor, discovered after a Kryptonite meteor shower, seemed to be riddled with the problem of the writers not knowing what to do with her; indicated by her possibly being sent to kill Clark and Kryptonite poisoning. The New 52 version was straight up obnoxious in her utter disdain for everything and everyone, leading her to join the Red Lanterns because of her anger.
I did like the New 52 Power Girl from Earth 2.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 12:04:20 GMT
Agree that having Kara grow up on Earth was a mistake. Adjusting to life on earth, its people, culture, ways, etc would have made for a more interesting backstory. Instead we have her acting like any young adult rather than that of an alien torn between protecting this world and looking for acceptance among its inhabitants. Regarding the use of Superman characters rather than those of the Supergirl comics, the writers are probably focused on the general audience. I would venture that most people who watch the show don't read comics and don't know who Supergirl is. To the average viewer, Supergirl is a female version of Superman, and for better or worse that is what the writers are giving the audience. Yeah. It would have been better if they had gone with her original origins instead of humanizing Kara so much ‘cause it would have been interesting to watch her interacting with people and trying to live a human life after spending so many years living on ‘Krypton.’ While the ‘Supergirl’ movie with Helen Slater was far from perfect and had a lot of problems they had that part of her backstory and started the movie with Kara with her parents so I don’t think them changing it had anything to do with what was well known to the general audience since the majority of previous movie and TV show adaptions of Supergirl had her as spending more time on Krypton and not having a human family. I think the change was done to make her more like Superman just like having her as a reporter and wearing glasses instead of a wig. I think being too focused on the general audience is one of the main problems with some of these TV shows and what is known to general audiences shouldn't be important when it comes to using characters and villains. Most of Batman's biggest villains only become household names 'cause they used them in the Adam West show and it was the same with 'Smallville' using names like Braniac, Doomsday, Darksied, Bizarrio and Metallio that weren't well known to the general audiences at the time. Heck, a lot of people thought the Green Arrow was Robin Hood when he first turned up in 'Smallville.'
They need to take more risks and use lesser known characters. A lot of other TV shows do it all the time with new characters nobody has ever heard of like Buffy did with Spike, Dru, the Master, the Mayor, Glory, Adam, the First etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 12:20:17 GMT
I don't think that's limited to just people who aren't avid comic book readers. I've been reading them for a long time, and while familiar with the human/matrix version of Supergirl, I never knew that version of the character to be such a distinct take on a character. I was under the impression that she was more of a patchwork character, who DC was constantly trying to find ways to make relevant or mainstream by adding new facets that never seemed to catch on; leading to a characterization that was disjointed and poorly defined. That's not to say that, that's actually what it was, but in contrast to other characters, I don't think the Linds Danvers version of Supergirl seeped into mythos of the greater DC cannon as to become ubiquitous. My Impression of the Supergirl tv show wasn't so much that they were turning her into a female Supergroup, so much as following her first comic book iteration, to some degree. In contrast to the iteration we saw in Smallville, or the post-Infinite Crisis (?), or New 52 versions, I can make my piece with what we have. I don't think this will be a popular opinion, but I couldn't stand Kara on Smallville. I didn't care for Laura Vandervort in the role, I didn't like the character's arrogance or that she was older than - or at least the same age as Clark; and I especially hated that she effectively became Supergirl before Clark became Superman. That last part wasn't anything specific to her, so much as how it played into the running theme during the final few years of the show where Clark's role as a hero became muddled in favor of other heroes, in an effort to run out the clock and not have him be Superman until the end of the series. The result being that Clark was all but the last hero to come into being, when he's supposed to be the first, and set the standard of those who follow. The post-Infinite Crisis comic book Supergirl, or whenever it was that she was rebooted as another Krypton survivor, discovered after a Kryptonite meteor shower, seemed to be riddled with the problem of the writers not knowing what to do with her; indicated by her possibly being sent to kill Clark and Kryptonite poisoning. The New 52 version was straight up obnoxious in her utter disdain for everything and everyone, leading her to join the Red Lanterns because of her anger. I did like the New 52 Power Girl from Earth 2. That's okay Stargazer1682. Everybody likes different things and has different opinions. I personally liked the first half of the New 52 'Supergirl' series and it was probably my third favourite series of 'Supergirl.' The reason why Linda Danvers didn't seep more into the DC mythos more was 'cause after Peter David had a falling out with DC and left the company they wiped Linda Danvers out of everything and replaced her with Kara and the only times we have seen Linda Danvers again is when they used her in 'Reign In Hell' (below) where they didn't officially name her but DC confirmed it was her and an alternative version in a 'Supergirl' story called 'Wings.' Geoff Johns has told fans she is not dead and he hopes to bring her back one day but it is believed Peter David has ownership over half of the character and they can't officially use her without his permission and him being paid. He is currently being paid for the graphic novels which are only now being released for the first time in full and he done some deal with DC 'cause he knows owns full ownership of all 'Fallen Angel' comic books (including the ones under DC) and has re-released them in graphic novel form with the IDW issues. One of the artists that worked with Peter on the Linda Danvers series said DC won't use the character unless Peter returns to the company which makes me think he does have half ownership over it. The interesting thing about the Linda Danvers series was Peter originally went to DC with a series called 'Fallen Angel' and they liked it but thought it was too violent and he was made to tone it down and then they had him rewrite it as the new 'Supergirl' series.
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Post by hardball on May 1, 2018 12:42:21 GMT
That's okay Stargazer1682. Everybody likes different things and has different opinions.
Giving you a like just for this. It's a concept that seems so alien to a lot of people I've encountered in online forums.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 1, 2018 19:27:33 GMT
It's amazing how people can not grasp the concept that different people like and dislike different things. An opinion doesn't make you right or wrong, so why act like it does?
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Post by dazz on May 2, 2018 3:09:44 GMT
It's amazing how people can not grasp the concept that different people like and dislike different things. An opinion doesn't make you right or wrong, so why act like it does? *speaking in a mock german accent* Vell dis is very simply mien friend, and I vill endeavour to hexplain it to you ze best I can, dis is because...
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Post by stargazer1682 on May 2, 2018 3:25:51 GMT
Whenever I read the subject of this thread, I basically hear it like this:
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Post by General Kenobi on May 2, 2018 10:54:43 GMT
Well, yeah. And it's not just the internet, because people are the same in the real world. I shouldn't be surprised but it just boggles the imagination.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 11:40:01 GMT
That's okay Stargazer1682. Everybody likes different things and has different opinions.
Giving you a like just for this. It's a concept that seems so alien to a lot of people I've encountered in online forums. Thanks. I know what you mean. There are some people who have deep issues over people not liking the same thing as them and turn things into a war if someone so much as says something bad about their favourite movie, TV show, artist or band. I have seen a lot of fights over singers and the Carrie Underwood and Taylor Swift diehard fans were the worst and some of them were threatening they would go over each other’s houses and bash the crap out of them or stab them to death ‘cause they said Carrie Underwood or Taylor Swift were better than the other. I think it is silly 'cause we are all different and like different things and I don't expect everybody to like all the same things I like just like I don't like everything they like but some people want to control everybody and we are seeing that with fans going off about the 'Black Widow' movie and if they don't want to watch it nobody is forcing them to but there are fans that want to see a 'Black Widow' movie and I think it is just the fact it is coming out and they can't control it that is bugging them.
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Post by BexxyJ on May 7, 2018 13:38:59 GMT
Giving you a like just for this. It's a concept that seems so alien to a lot of people I've encountered in online forums. Thanks. I know what you mean. There are some people who have deep issues over people not liking the same thing as them and turn things into a war if someone so much as says something bad about their favourite movie, TV show, artist or band. I have seen a lot of fights over singers and the Carrie Underwood and Taylor Swift diehard fans were the worst and some of them were threatening they would go over each other’s houses and bash the crap out of them or stab them to death ‘cause they said Carrie Underwood or Taylor Swift were better than the other. I think it is silly 'cause we are all different and like different things and I don't expect everybody to like all the same things I like just like I don't like everything they like but some people want to control everybody and we are seeing that with fans going off about the 'Black Widow' movie and if they don't want to watch it nobody is forcing them to but there are fans that want to see a 'Black Widow' movie and I think it is just the fact it is coming out and they can't control it that is bugging them. Ugh. Don't even say their names. The Taylor Shift and Carrie Underbrick fans are the worst. They would have agents out looking for people who are saying bad things about them and if they come here next don't say I didn't warn ya.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 9, 2018 12:33:52 GMT
Danger? I laugh in the face of danger. Ha ha ha.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 12:57:48 GMT
Ugh. Don't even say their names. The Taylor Shift and Carrie Underbrick fans are the worst. They would have agents out looking for people who are saying bad things about them and if they come here next don't say I didn't warn ya. I don't think we will have to worry about them coming over here unless they are 'Arrow' fans too 'cause I don't think our posts would come up on search engines for this site like they did on other forums and they seem to have settled down a lot since Taylor Swift moved over to Pop Music and it was only when they were fighting over Carrie and Taylor being the queen of Country Music they were most active and were getting in fights with each other all the time. I think some of them have grown up and moved on to other things thankfully.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 11, 2018 23:12:14 GMT
You're either very brave or very foolish. Or like me, a bit of both.
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