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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 13, 2017 1:41:10 GMT
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 13, 2017 2:14:45 GMT
Another unnecessarily extended ep unless you're AMC's ownership cashing in.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Mar 13, 2017 2:32:41 GMT
Another unnecessarily extended ep unless you're AMC's ownership cashing in. Did anyone get killed tonight and if so then who was it and how ?
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 13, 2017 2:42:43 GMT
Another unnecessarily extended ep unless you're AMC's ownership cashing in. Did anyone get killed tonight and if so then who was it and how ? 2 people from the Kingdom. Richard, Ezekiel's #1 and Benjamin, the teen Morgan's been training.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Mar 13, 2017 2:43:42 GMT
Did anyone get killed tonight and if so then who was it and how ? 2 people from the Kingdom. Richard, Ezekiel's #1 and Benjamin, the teen Morgan's been training. WOW!.....How did they die ?
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 13, 2017 2:56:51 GMT
Richard was trying to 'martyr' himself. He kept something from the Saviors thinking the shortfall would get him killed and draw the Kingdom into fighting the Saviors. Instead they killed Benjamin. Morgan killed Richard later as justice/vengeance(?).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 3:15:40 GMT
I wonder if Morgan is officially crazy again or if he was just having a temporary break from sanity
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 13, 2017 3:29:23 GMT
I wonder if Morgan is officially crazy again or if he was just having a temporary break from sanity I hope his flashback crazy scene was it. I don't need to see more Morgan is conflicted scenes. Same goes with Carol.
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Post by CoyoteGraves on Mar 13, 2017 13:00:01 GMT
Morgan: Glenn's dead! Carol: Oh well. *shoulder shrug*
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Post by geezer on Mar 13, 2017 16:25:15 GMT
Well it inspired her enough to get back in the fight. The writers gave her nothing to say at that moment. I think her face said it all.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 13, 2017 20:02:39 GMT
Well it inspired her enough to get back in the fight. The writers gave her nothing to say at that moment. I think her face said it all. It seems both Morgan and Carol 'woke up' last night and realized they can't just turn the other cheek or hide when things go bad. Their world requires someone to fight for good things, even if that means doing bad things in the process.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 13, 2017 20:08:03 GMT
Morgan: Glenn's dead! Carol: Oh well. *shoulder shrug* Carol's emotionally cutoff from the world. Other than for Daryl I don't know that she would've been in a place mentally to react differently to any other death.
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Post by geezer on Mar 14, 2017 19:45:04 GMT
I wonder if Morgan is officially crazy again or if he was just having a temporary break from sanity It was a very mixed message: On one hand Morgan seemed very aware he was carrying out Richard's plan to regain the Savior's trust. Even carrying out Richard's death wish to be a Martyr. On the other hand, he was blind with rage, ready to commit suicide, and was talking of Duane....like he wasn't really "all there". My theory is he has been crazy the whole time. His whole "all life is precious" philosophy was just a false hope he clung to to give him peace. It was a totally illogical idea that was truly insane given the world situation. The same for Carol and her year-long self-exile. I highly recommend JRiddle's blog on TWD. He has put it in words better than I can about the characters and the writing. Basically the characters have no logical development, they just flip a switch from one personality to another to serve the poorly written plot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 23:45:22 GMT
I wonder if Morgan is officially crazy again or if he was just having a temporary break from sanity My theory is he has been crazy the whole time. His whole "all life is precious" philosophy was just a false hope he clung to to give him peace. It was a totally illogical idea that was truly insane given the world situation. The same for Carol and her year-long self-exile. I totally agree with this. His philosophy helped him cope, but he never really recovered. The pressure and stress from the Saviors is bringing out the "crazy" that was always there since his initial psychosis.
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Post by geezer on Mar 15, 2017 1:20:03 GMT
I'm sad for him, but happy for the show! We need everybody now to fight. Taking out Morgan and Carol for so long was just a "trick", so they could strategically bring them back, and all of us stupid fans can go "YAY!, bad-ass Morgan and Carol are back"! It sometimes makes me sick the cheap way they try to manipulate the audience.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 15, 2017 1:44:17 GMT
I'm sad for him, but happy for the show! We need everybody now to fight. Taking out Morgan and Carol for so long was just a "trick", so they could strategically bring them back, and all of us stupid fans can go "YAY!, bad-ass Morgan and Carol are back"! It sometimes makes me sick the cheap way they try to manipulate the audience. Last week, assuming the audience was smart enough to realize there was no way Rick was getting devoured after falling off the ferris wheel, the writers instead manipulated their own character, Michonne, into thinking he was killed. It was still a cheap scene.
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Post by geezer on Mar 15, 2017 1:59:48 GMT
So stupid when he popped out of the box. I expected him to say "TA DAAAA!!"
Entertainment IS manipulation, but if it is done in such a blatant, clumsy, and obvious way it can backfire. Like the season 6 cliffhanger, and the season 6 Glenn "fake dumpster death". It rather surprised me they would try that trick again. At least we didn't have to wait a month to see he was still alive this time. The "dumpster death" death was kind of a turning point for me; I felt the manipulation crossed the line from entertainment to just being jerked around.
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Post by Utpe on Mar 15, 2017 6:05:57 GMT
I have a funny feeling that the battle with the Saviors is going to be another finale cliffhanger.
Fool me once...
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 15, 2017 6:19:56 GMT
I have a funny feeling that the battle with the Saviors is going to be another finale cliffhanger. Fool me once... Ya I have l very little doubt the big fight won't end in a cliffhanger in some way. The question is will it be another 'who gets killed' one?
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Post by damkylan on Mar 15, 2017 17:38:44 GMT
Taking out Morgan and Carol for so long was just a "trick", so they could strategically bring them back, and all of us stupid fans can go "YAY!, bad-ass Morgan and Carol are back"! It sometimes makes me sick the cheap way they try to manipulate the audience. Nope. It's about giving both characters an actual story to work with, not cheap audience manipulation. Keep in mind that the whole issue of Carol departing the group began in Season 4, was foreshadowed in Season 5, and Season 6 had constant throwbacks to everything she has struggled with since S4. That's years worth of development and build up. That's not cheap, that's storytelling. If you would like proof of that in the form of a mini-essay in which I detail every single thing Carol has gone through since S4, I can oblige, but I'll do us all a favor and just sum it up by saying that that one little scene where she convinces Morgan not to go off on a death mission using advice that he gave her in the first place, finally bringing closure to their Season 6 conflict, was the real payoff to her departure storyline, not the fact that she's fighting again. These characters are more than just chess pieces in the war. Just like every single major arc so far, the war is simply the stage in which the characters interact and grow. Well, there's absolutely no question that the battle with the Saviors is going to span half or most likely all of Season 8. So no matter what, Season 7 is going to end on something of a cliffhanger. Judging by upcoming comic events, two likely places to end S7 will either be a perilous moment involving Negan (yes, just like S6; this would be a very poor choice), or *the* moment the war begins. Or, if neither occurs, then perhaps a kind of "it begins tomorrow" kind of ending with another character death to close things off.
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