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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 16:46:26 GMT
Whether you liked or didn't like the PT, there is no doubt that it can be correctly labeled a prequel. In terms of story, I think it's fair to say that Episodes I through VI feel mostly coherently combined and that if you had to sum them up as a unit thoughtfully, you could honestly say "It's a Skywalker story."
When TFA came out, I initially thought "sequel" was a fair word. Han played a big role, everybody thought Rey was related to one of the major players from the OT, Kylo was a Skywalker, there were...ahem..."similar thematic sequences," and maybe, just maybe, Snoke was the glue guy that had started (and would maybe end) the "Skywalker story."
After TLJ, the trilogy now feels completely disconnected from the other two trilogies and that almost seems to be the point the filmmakers are trying reach. I for one always thought that the "moving on" part of the story would start with Episode X.
Anyway, I'm not saying this purely out of spite for the new movies, but it honestly just doesn't feel like the word "sequel" correctly describes the direction of this trilogy.
What do you guys think?
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 30, 2018 20:16:03 GMT
But isn't Kylo Ren still a Skywalker? He is the Skywalker of this trilogy. Or is it that there should be a hero Skywalker?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 21:04:23 GMT
But isn't Kylo Ren still a Skywalker? He is the Skywalker of this trilogy. Or is it that there should be a hero Skywalker? I know, but does it feel like a "Skywalker" story? It doesn't to me. Feels more like Rey's story, and, since she has absolutely nothing to do with the first six movies, the character bridges have/are crumbling and we've pretty much entered into a "new world," so to speak.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 30, 2018 22:30:53 GMT
But isn't Kylo Ren still a Skywalker? He is the Skywalker of this trilogy. Or is it that there should be a hero Skywalker? I know, but does it feel like a "Skywalker" story? It doesn't to me. Feels more like Rey's story, and, since she has absolutely nothing to do with the first six movies, the character bridges have/are crumbling and we've pretty much entered into a "new world," so to speak. The movies so far have been about Kylo. We are learning things about his character from her perspective. It's the same as learning about Anakin/Vader from Luke's perspective. Yes, he's Anakin's son, but he was still an outsider to the previous events. That's the same as Rey. We are learning what happened to the Skywalker family through her. I mean, the Last Jedi was mostly about what happened that made Kylo go bad. Everything else was personal character growth for the other leads.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Mar 31, 2018 0:32:03 GMT
But isn't Kylo Ren still a Skywalker? He is the Skywalker of this trilogy. Or is it that there should be a hero Skywalker? I know, but does it feel like a "Skywalker" story? It doesn't to me. Feels more like Rey's story, and, since she has absolutely nothing to do with the first six movies, the character bridges have/are crumbling and we've pretty much entered into a "new world," so to speak. It doesn't feel that way to me either. ThatGuy makes some valid points, but TLJ does make it feel like the theme of the Skywalkers is being discarded. TFA already made things feel more centered around it being Rey's story. Now we know for certainty that she has no relation or connection to the Skywalker family. And Kylo abandons his idolization of his grandfather Darth Vader aka Anakin Skywalker. He says "Let the past die!" He destroys his Vader style helmet... and that scene might have been the symbolic moment of the franchise abandoning the Skywalker theme in SW. On top of that Luke dies, having behaved mostly uncharacteristic before doing so. All the "Skywalkerness" has been sucked right out of it.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 31, 2018 3:24:34 GMT
I know, but does it feel like a "Skywalker" story? It doesn't to me. Feels more like Rey's story, and, since she has absolutely nothing to do with the first six movies, the character bridges have/are crumbling and we've pretty much entered into a "new world," so to speak. It doesn't feel that way to me either. ThatGuy makes some valid points, but TLJ does make it feel like the theme of the Skywalkers is being discarded. TFA already made things feel more centered around it being Rey's story. Now we know for certainty that she has no relation or connection to the Skywalker family. And Kylo abandons his idolization of his grandfather Darth Vader aka Anakin Skywalker. He says "Let the past die!" He destroys his Vader style helmet... and that scene might have been the symbolic moment of the franchise abandoning the Skywalker theme in SW. On top of that Luke dies, having behaved mostly uncharacteristic before doing so. All the "Skywalkerness" has been sucked right out of it. It only feels that way because it was suppose to be a secret who Kylo really was. And the movie started out and centered on them trying to find a map to Luke. Rey was just the protagonist on that journey. But the trilogy is about Kylo. TFA was him idolizing Vader. TLJ was about him being his own person and getting out of Vader's shadow. That doesn't mean it abandoned the Skywalker story. It just means they are on a new Skywalker story. All the movies don't have to be centered on Anakin. Of course he was behaving uncharacteristically before he died. He was 30 years older than the last time we saw him. Things happened in those 30 years. Yoda didn't act the same way he did in the PT in the OT now did he? Hmm? I think what people wanted were movies that took place closer to RotJ. To have that feel they did after those movies. For Luke to be how he was in the Legacy EU books. Luke didn't change from the beginning of the EU timeline to the end of it. Luke was seen as this awesome Jedi Master when he actually wasn't even a very good Jedi Knight in RotJ. Luke was this barely trained Jedi that was used as a weapon to take on Vader and the Emperor. Luke went to train more Jedi and when he failed it broke him. And since Luke is not the hero of the trilogy anymore they can play with the idea of him being broken.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 31, 2018 5:35:33 GMT
It's not a "sequel" to anything. They're all by definition non-canon fan fiction movies.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 31, 2018 10:49:54 GMT
hey, I want through a similar pain and anguish when TFA came out, it's burning you up inside. The solution is to put all these "sequels" on non-canon fanfiction qualification in our head canon, just like the (superior) Thrawn sequel trilogy. Then the mental anguish and suffering is a lot easier to endure. As for your question, the PT/OT had a Skywalker as main protagonist, the ST has a Solo/Skywalker as antagonist. This does not irritate me as much (and Rey may still be retconned into a Skywalker) - it's much more annoying that we get the same story and themes rehashed again, this is what kills the ST for me as respectable narrative. Seriously, what does this trilogy stand for except for rehashing and weird agenda caricatures like Rey, Holdo and Rose and the negative deconstruction of the OT protagonists and achievements? With say the PT, hate or love it, I can safely say the pitch is: - Show the heyday and fall of liberty and democracy (Republic). And the rise of scheming demagogues and dictators by preying on the weaknesses of the system and business. - Show the Emire grow out of the Republic like a dark side cancer (balance) as shown with ship designs etc - Show the fall of overcome institutions (Jedi) and a young man who - afraid to lose what he is attached to - destroys and betrays everything he swore to protect. - Create extensive word building and new designs (ships etc) and concepts (and music) - Create a narrative backbone for the OT characters and world building (Sith, Padawan/Jedi order, Coruscant etc) and so on... What fresh stuff did the sequels create so far? Love them or hate them, IMO they are just not worthy of the Star Wars name or the sequel status (so far), they are deserving of the fanfic classification though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 14:19:52 GMT
No-sa! It should not be called da sequel trilogy or ST. It should be called da FFT or fan fiction trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 15:05:47 GMT
It doesn't feel that way to me either. ThatGuy makes some valid points, but TLJ does make it feel like the theme of the Skywalkers is being discarded. TFA already made things feel more centered around it being Rey's story. Now we know for certainty that she has no relation or connection to the Skywalker family. And Kylo abandons his idolization of his grandfather Darth Vader aka Anakin Skywalker. He says "Let the past die!" He destroys his Vader style helmet... and that scene might have been the symbolic moment of the franchise abandoning the Skywalker theme in SW. On top of that Luke dies, having behaved mostly uncharacteristic before doing so. All the "Skywalkerness" has been sucked right out of it. It only feels that way because it was suppose to be a secret who Kylo really was. And the movie started out and centered on them trying to find a map to Luke. Rey was just the protagonist on that journey. But the trilogy is about Kylo. TFA was him idolizing Vader. TLJ was about him being his own person and getting out of Vader's shadow. That doesn't mean it abandoned the Skywalker story. It just means they are on a new Skywalker story. All the movies don't have to be centered on Anakin. Of course he was behaving uncharacteristically before he died. He was 30 years older than the last time we saw him. Things happened in those 30 years. Yoda didn't act the same way he did in the PT in the OT now did he? Hmm? I think what people wanted were movies that took place closer to RotJ. To have that feel they did after those movies. For Luke to be how he was in the Legacy EU books. Luke didn't change from the beginning of the EU timeline to the end of it. Luke was seen as this awesome Jedi Master when he actually wasn't even a very good Jedi Knight in RotJ. Luke was this barely trained Jedi that was used as a weapon to take on Vader and the Emperor. Luke went to train more Jedi and when he failed it broke him. And since Luke is not the hero of the trilogy anymore they can play with the idea of him being broken. But Yoda progressed. This is a natural evolution that audiences can relate to, since, you know, if you're doing it right in real life, you should get calmer and wiser with old age. Luke completely digressed with age and experience. That's not believable for normal humans, let alone someone who was supposed to be studying an ancient religion that brings about more wisdom, power, etc. the further you explore its tenants. I don't think one need rely on the Skywalkerness of the story to evaluate whether it jibes with the previous trilogies. I only focused on that because it was succinct. There are plenty of other reasons it doesn't fit. For instance, there was one, central rivalry in the galaxy that catalyzed the events in the first two trilogies: Sith vs. Jedi. Everything grew from that rivalry, but in the "sequel trilogy," that rivalry - like the orders themselves - were brushed aside. In the first six movies, we have very accute ideas about "how the galaxy works." In the PT, it's The Republic. We got an insider's view of how it operated and how it fell. In the OT, we are immediately signaled by the central authority of the Empire. Again, we see internal, intimate detail of how the Empire works. In the "sequel trilogy," we're shown none of that. We get a certain sense of how the First Order works internally, but nothing substantial about how it came about, nor, more importantly why it exists. Due to Snoke's unceremonious death, we will never discover the "why," as the First Order is now a ship that not only has an udder, but it doesn't have a captain, a sail, an anchor or a quest. We really aren't given any significant detail about how the Resistance works or how it came about. Worst of all was the depiction of the New Republic, which was edited down to one open-mouthed scene of dismay. Nothing substantial there, either. So we have these three groups of power, which should be the devices in the movie that help us find our bearings in this new story, none of which we know anything substantial about. So okay, so far the "sequel" has annihilated the main cause/effect of all the drama we've thus far witnessed onscreen and it has stripped us of our main navigational tools for understanding the world in which we are meant to immerse ourselves in. It's at this point that the trilogy sweeps the leg by dramatically evolving our main characters with little to no backstory explanation for how they came into their new roles/personalities. I'm not saying this story treatment hasn't been used before, because, admittedly, it has. You see it more often with new seasons of television series than you do with movie "sequels," but I've always found it very disconcerting nonetheless. When it's executed, however, it is imperative that when the storyteller catches the viewer up eventually, the pieces fit and the vision comes into full focus. Did that happen in this trilogy? I don't think so. Han's evolution is somewhat believable, but not explained nearly well enough. Luke's is disastrously foreign. And, as with any continuing story, understanding the conflict depends almost solely on understanding the villain. In the first six films, we are very well-educated on and, can thus, easily understand both the personality and motivation of the villain. Also, it's important to note that there is one ultimate villain in those two trilogies. Sure, Vader dominates the onscreen villain presence in ANH and TESB, but from the word jump, we knew that the central authority - thus, ultimately the main threat and main cause of drama - was the Emperor. Tell me: what do we know about Snoke? What was his motivation? How does he tie into the rest of the story? Sure we're told simple facts like Leia's revelation that Snoke was responsible for luring Kylo to the dark side, but that's hardly enough information to get a real grasp on why he exists, why he leads the First Order and what his ultimate plan is. "How the Force works" is an even deeper problem/argument I don't want to rehash (it's been done ad nauseam), but that, for me, personally, provides another broken link in the chain between this trilogy and the first two, serving as yet another cause for me to feel Lost when trying to digest this new story. Yeah it's called "Star Wars." Yeah, a couple recognizable names/faces/motifs were used. But it does not feel like the same world as the original six movies. It feels like old Biff passed that almanac to young Biff and we woke up staring at a much larger-chested mom than we remembered and there's no reliable Doc character to help explain it to us.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 15:11:12 GMT
Yes, it can. It just isn't the fluffy-wuffy "And they all lived happily ever after" nonsense the fanatical OT fans wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 15:24:24 GMT
Yes, it can. It just isn't the fluffy-wuffy "And they all lived happily ever after" nonsense the fanatical OT fans wanted. I'm not that type of fan. I'm a fan of the dark side of things in general. Of course there had to be a reversal of fortune in order for a new, coherent, interesting story to exist. But they failed MISERABLY in executing the reversal of fortune.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 15:36:53 GMT
Yes, it can. It just isn't the fluffy-wuffy "And they all lived happily ever after" nonsense the fanatical OT fans wanted. I'm not that type of fan. I'm a fan of the dark side of things in general. Of course there had to be a reversal of fortune in order for a new, coherent, interesting story to exist. But they failed MISERABLY in executing the reversal of fortune. Blame the Prequels, they screwed so badly that any kind of political storyline or "Equal Factions fighting one another" plotline would've been rejected if the ST tried them.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 31, 2018 15:57:51 GMT
It only feels that way because it was suppose to be a secret who Kylo really was. And the movie started out and centered on them trying to find a map to Luke. Rey was just the protagonist on that journey. But the trilogy is about Kylo. TFA was him idolizing Vader. TLJ was about him being his own person and getting out of Vader's shadow. That doesn't mean it abandoned the Skywalker story. It just means they are on a new Skywalker story. All the movies don't have to be centered on Anakin. Of course he was behaving uncharacteristically before he died. He was 30 years older than the last time we saw him. Things happened in those 30 years. Yoda didn't act the same way he did in the PT in the OT now did he? Hmm? I think what people wanted were movies that took place closer to RotJ. To have that feel they did after those movies. For Luke to be how he was in the Legacy EU books. Luke didn't change from the beginning of the EU timeline to the end of it. Luke was seen as this awesome Jedi Master when he actually wasn't even a very good Jedi Knight in RotJ. Luke was this barely trained Jedi that was used as a weapon to take on Vader and the Emperor. Luke went to train more Jedi and when he failed it broke him. And since Luke is not the hero of the trilogy anymore they can play with the idea of him being broken. But Yoda progressed. This is a natural evolution that audiences can relate to, since, you know, if you're doing it right in real life, you should get calmer and wiser with old age. Luke completely digressed with age and experience. That's not believable for normal humans, let alone someone who was supposed to be studying an ancient religion that brings about more wisdom, power, etc. the further you explore its tenants. I don't think one need rely on the Skywalkerness of the story to evaluate whether it jibes with the previous trilogies. I only focused on that because it was succinct. There are plenty of other reasons it doesn't fit. For instance, there was one, central rivalry in the galaxy that catalyzed the events in the first two trilogies: Sith vs. Jedi. Everything grew from that rivalry, but in the "sequel trilogy," that rivalry - like the orders themselves - were brushed aside. In the first six movies, we have very accute ideas about "how the galaxy works." In the PT, it's The Republic. We got an insider's view of how it operated and how it fell. In the OT, we are immediately signaled by the central authority of the Empire. Again, we see internal, intimate detail of how the Empire works. In the "sequel trilogy," we're shown none of that. We get a certain sense of how the First Order works internally, but nothing substantial about how it came about, nor, more importantly why it exists. Due to Snoke's unceremonious death, we will never discover the "why," as the First Order is now a ship that not only has an udder, but it doesn't have a captain, a sail, an anchor or a quest. We really aren't given any significant detail about how the Resistance works or how it came about. Worst of all was the depiction of the New Republic, which was edited down to one open-mouthed scene of dismay. Nothing substantial there, either. So we have these three groups of power, which should be the devices in the movie that help us find our bearings in this new story, none of which we know anything substantial about. So okay, so far the "sequel" has annihilated the main cause/effect of all the drama we've thus far witnessed onscreen and it has stripped us of our main navigational tools for understanding the world in which we are meant to immerse ourselves in. It's at this point that the trilogy sweeps the leg by dramatically evolving our main characters with little to no backstory explanation for how they came into their new roles/personalities. I'm not saying this story treatment hasn't been used before, because, admittedly, it has. You see it more often with new seasons of television series than you do with movie "sequels," but I've always found it very disconcerting nonetheless. When it's executed, however, it is imperative that when the storyteller catches the viewer up eventually, the pieces fit and the vision comes into full focus. Did that happen in this trilogy? I don't think so. Han's evolution is somewhat believable, but not explained nearly well enough. Luke's is disastrously foreign. And, as with any continuing story, understanding the conflict depends almost solely on understanding the villain. In the first six films, we are very well-educated on and, can thus, easily understand both the personality and motivation of the villain. Also, it's important to note that there is one ultimate villain in those two trilogies. Sure, Vader dominates the onscreen villain presence in ANH and TESB, but from the word jump, we knew that the central authority - thus, ultimately the main threat and main cause of drama - was the Emperor. Tell me: what do we know about Snoke? What was his motivation? How does he tie into the rest of the story? Sure we're told simple facts like Leia's revelation that Snoke was responsible for luring Kylo to the dark side, but that's hardly enough information to get a real grasp on why he exists, why he leads the First Order and what his ultimate plan is. "How the Force works" is an even deeper problem/argument I don't want to rehash (it's been done ad nauseam), but that, for me, personally, provides another broken link in the chain between this trilogy and the first two, serving as yet another cause for me to feel Lost when trying to digest this new story. Yeah it's called "Star Wars." Yeah, a couple recognizable names/faces/motifs were used. But it does not feel like the same world as the original six movies. It feels like old Biff passed that almanac to young Biff and we woke up staring at a much larger-chested mom than we remembered and there's no reliable Doc character to help explain it to us. Yoda had 800 years behind him and was a part of a Jedi society. Luke lived in a world run by the Empire and Darth Vader that had no Jedi to help him. From what we see in TLJ, Luke hasn't seen Yoda since they blew up the 2nd Death Star. Luke starts a Jedi Academy alone and thinks he could train people as well as Yoda. He was wrong. Luke was also broken. What he learned, in his broken state, from studying the Force in those texts was that having Jedi around is what dooms the galaxy. Every time the Jedi rise up, something happens to bring about some kind of dark time. That broken mind produced fear and he shut himself away from the Force. How can you not see how the government works? It went back to the PT days with the Republic back in charge. The First Order is the remnants of the Empire that kept to their own outside of Republic space until recently. And I have not read any of the books. This is just from the movies. No time has past since TFA so the Republic is still officially in charge in TLJ as far as the galaxy knows. The First Order just made a move to take over the Republic. The Resistance is a guerilla splinter group of the Republic because the Republic didn't see the First Order as a threat. They told us this in the movies. We still have Kylo Ren. The point of it was to get him to be his own man in charge of the First Order and not be a Vader clone in charge of a new Empire. We are actively watching a build a villain. But Luke and Han don't matter anymore. This is not their trilogy. This trilogy is about the next generation of galaxy heroes. Kylo Ren keeps it within the Skywalker story. Luke can still come back as a Force ghost to council Rey or even Ben. Han is stagnant and didn't change from who he was. Luke went down a dark path. I think that's something that you guys didn't like. That this guy you thought was this big powerful hero really wasn't. Hell, they've been telling you that he wasn't the same Luke in all their interviews. Daisy has continually said that this was "never meet your heroes because it won't go the way you think." People watched these movies over and over again and got this nostalgic feel for Luke over these decades and wanted Luke to be this super powerful Jedi cutting everyone down with his lightsaber. Did Obi Wan become this super powerful Jedi in ANH? Nope. Luke went through this trial and barely came out the other end unscathed to the point he was gonna cut down his own nephew so he wouldn't go through that trial again. Obi Wan won his fight and watched the birth of some twins. Luke's evolution was disastrously foreign and rightfully so. Snoke is not the main villain. Kylo Ren is. Snoke is the equivalent of Boba Fett in ESB and Count Dooku in AotC. He was the villain of that movie. People wanted a new Palpatine and is upset that they didn't get that. We don't need to know Snoke's ultimate goal because he doesn't matter. What did Jabba the Hutt ultimately want in life? What did the chief Ewok want for his village. It doesn't matter. Also, the point of the First Order was to take over the Republic. I saw no problem with the Force in this movie. Well, the world in the PT doesn't feel like the world in the OT. The world in the ST feels like a mix of the OT and the PT. We have those isolated places like the OT, but then we have the societal places like in the PT. Why do I feel like I'm the only one that understands what I was watching in these movies? The only thing I did not like about TLJ was that it started right after the previous one. You could actually edit these movies into one movie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 15:59:17 GMT
I'm not that type of fan. I'm a fan of the dark side of things in general. Of course there had to be a reversal of fortune in order for a new, coherent, interesting story to exist. But they failed MISERABLY in executing the reversal of fortune. Blame the Prequels, they screwed so badly that any kind of political storyline or "Equal Factions fighting one another" plotline would've been rejected if the ST tried them. No-sa! Dats a weak cop out. Da fact is dat da OT already outlined clearly defined factions with originality. So did da prequels for dat matter. It's just dat some peoples didn't like some of da built-in mystery dat tried to hide Palpatine's puppet master connections. And some folks didn't like da intermingled politics chopping up da pacing. Sequel trilogy has been a copy-and-paste of da OT dat they'sa actually tried to brainwash us to believe was something different in TFA. In TLJ it was just a confusing semantics mess as they'sa flip-flopped back and forth with da good guys being da Rebels and da Resistance. LOL! And in TFA da First Order was a hidden enemy striking from da Unknown Region. In TLJ they'sa instantly becomes da Empire. In other words they'sa instantly had the galaxy spanning scope of da Empire of da OT, where them was present everywhere and controlled everything. But in TFA they'sa was still mostly confined to Unknown Region and TLJ picked up right where TFA left off! LOL! It's a joke of a mess! And sorry, no-sa, yousa can't blame dis on da prequels.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 16:12:11 GMT
Blame the Prequels, they screwed so badly that any kind of political storyline or "Equal Factions fighting one another" plotline would've been rejected if the ST tried them. No-sa! Dats a weak cop out. Da fact is dat da OT already outlined clearly defined factions with originality. So did da prequels for dat matter. It's just dat some peoples didn't like some of da built-in mystery dat tried to hide Palpatine's puppet master connections. And some folks didn't like da intermingled politics chopping up da pacing. They disliked it enough that any attempt to do a Political Storyline in Star Wars since has been rejected out of hand. Eh, Rebels...Resistors...what's the diff? Not instantly, the opening texts say that Snoke is ready to unleash the full power of the First Order onto a Galaxy that's too disorganized and now terrified to want to openly fight back. For all we know the 3rd film will explain that all the damage done in TLJ has disorganized the First Order as well so neither the Invaders nor Defenders can defeat the other.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 16:28:38 GMT
No-sa! Dats a weak cop out. Da fact is dat da OT already outlined clearly defined factions with originality. So did da prequels for dat matter. It's just dat some peoples didn't like some of da built-in mystery dat tried to hide Palpatine's puppet master connections. And some folks didn't like da intermingled politics chopping up da pacing. They disliked it enough that any attempt to do a Political Storyline in Star Wars since has been rejected out of hand. So they'sa decided to give us something so ridiculously contrived, counterfeited, and nonsensical dat it was worse than da prequels! LOL! Exactly! So why'd they'sa even call them Resistance in da first place?!? Dat was a joke to begin with. It's just da worst writing in SW when it comes to factions: worse than da prequels. Dat makes absolutely no sense.
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Post by thenewnexus on Mar 31, 2018 16:45:59 GMT
Should be NC non-canon triogy
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 16:47:47 GMT
They disliked it enough that any attempt to do a Political Storyline in Star Wars since has been rejected out of hand. So they'sa decided to give us something so ridiculously contrived, counterfeited, and nonsensical dat it was worse than da prequels! LOL! Critics and modern audiences disagree. Of course, it seems their opinions only matter if the OT fans like it. What, if Leia's group was called "The Republican Guard" you'd be fine with it? The opening exaggerated and due to the damage done to the First Order, by the time they're a threat again the rest of the Galaxy will be able to fight back. After all, they lost their strongest Force-User AND their superweapon.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 16:48:18 GMT
Should be NC non-canon triogy Funny, folks say the same thing about the PT. Star Wars fans are just unpleasable.
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