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Post by ryboto on Apr 4, 2018 19:33:40 GMT
Plenty of new characters were introduced. If you skip to 30 years from ROTJ in the EU, there's even more that are front and center. And none of those new EU characters took over as leads, Luke/Han/Leia were always still upfront and in charge. In fact, they killed off some of the new characters but refused with the older ones except Chewbacca. The ST dared to give us new LEADS. Why is that a good thing? Why does it matter? Why can't Luke or Leia or Han have had another moment to shine alongside a younger generation that works with them? Why is it one or the other? Stop being so close minded.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 19:40:41 GMT
And none of those new EU characters took over as leads, Luke/Han/Leia were always still upfront and in charge. In fact, they killed off some of the new characters but refused with the older ones except Chewbacca. The ST dared to give us new LEADS. Why is that a good thing? Because Ford wouldn't come back unless he was killed off, Fisher would be dead in a year anyways, leaving only Luke. And Jedi Masters traditionally ALWAYS die to make way for the next, that's how the lore works. Because they'd have all the spotlight and the new characters would be portrayed as second-stringers, and to maintain the OT cast EXACTLY the way they were in the OT (epic heroes) then they'd solve the problem with the FO entirely on their own without Rey and Finn doing anything otherwise it'd take away from Luke and co. And if they DO need help from the newbies, it automatically makes the OT cast less than they were because in the OT they were not written as people who needed help from newbies to fight the Empire. So maintain them EXACTLY as they were, people with no peers who needed no help, which wastes the newbies completely because anything the Newbies due (aside from screw-up) would take away from the OT characters, or have the newbies show themselves as competent people which means the OT cast are no longer as awesome as they were.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 4, 2018 19:43:17 GMT
Why is that a good thing? Because Ford wouldn't come back unless he was killed off, Fisher would be dead in a year anyways, leaving only Luke. And Jedi Masters traditionally ALWAYS die to make way for the next, that's how the lore works. Because they'd have all the spotlight and the new characters would be portrayed as second-stringers, and to maintain the OT cast EXACTLY the way they were in the OT (epic heroes) then they'd solve the problem with the FO entirely on their own without Rey and Finn doing anything otherwise it'd take away from Luke and co. And if they DO need help from the newbies, it automatically makes the OT cast less than they were because in the OT they were not written as people who needed help from newbies to fight the Empire. So maintain them EXACTLY as they were, people with no peers who needed no help, which wastes the newbies completely because anything the Newbies due (aside from screw-up) would take away from the OT characters, or have the newbies show themselves as competent people which means the OT cast are no longer as awesome as they were. Nope. Just more rambling. Try again.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 19:46:08 GMT
Because Ford wouldn't come back unless he was killed off, Fisher would be dead in a year anyways, leaving only Luke. And Jedi Masters traditionally ALWAYS die to make way for the next, that's how the lore works. Because they'd have all the spotlight and the new characters would be portrayed as second-stringers, and to maintain the OT cast EXACTLY the way they were in the OT (epic heroes) then they'd solve the problem with the FO entirely on their own without Rey and Finn doing anything otherwise it'd take away from Luke and co. And if they DO need help from the newbies, it automatically makes the OT cast less than they were because in the OT they were not written as people who needed help from newbies to fight the Empire. So maintain them EXACTLY as they were, people with no peers who needed no help, which wastes the newbies completely because anything the Newbies due (aside from screw-up) would take away from the OT characters, or have the newbies show themselves as competent people which means the OT cast are no longer as awesome as they were. Nope. Just more rambling. Try again. No amount of writing was ever going to get the OT fans to accept that Luke and Han and Leia weren't going to be the big lead characters anymore. So the ST writers went "f*** it, let's just write whatever we want about these new characters. The OT fans are never going to accept them anyways, so lets' just focus on getting new audiences instead." The OT characters were not written as characters who were meant to be retired and replaced, this was always going to be a massive obstacle impossible to overcome.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 4, 2018 19:49:03 GMT
Nope. Just more rambling. Try again. No amount of writing was ever going to get the OT fans to accept that Luke and Han and Leia weren't going to be the big lead characters anymore. So the ST writers went "f*** it, let's just write whatever we want about these new characters. The OT fans are never going to accept them anyways, so lets' just focus on getting new audiences instead." The OT characters were not written as characters who were meant to be retired and replaced, this was always going to be a massive obstacle impossible to overcome. RAMBLERAMBLE! You really sound stressed, maybe stop rambling?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 4, 2018 20:11:01 GMT
Nope. Just more rambling. Try again. No amount of writing was ever going to get the OT fans to accept that Luke and Han and Leia weren't going to be the big lead characters anymore. So the ST writers went "f*** it, let's just write whatever we want about these new characters. The OT fans are never going to accept them anyways, so lets' just focus on getting new audiences instead." The OT characters were not written as characters who were meant to be retired and replaced, this was always going to be a massive obstacle impossible to overcome.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 5, 2018 1:34:00 GMT
No amount of writing was ever going to get the OT fans to accept that Luke and Han and Leia weren't going to be the big lead characters anymore. So the ST writers went "f*** it, let's just write whatever we want about these new characters. The OT fans are never going to accept them anyways, so lets' just focus on getting new audiences instead." The OT characters were not written as characters who were meant to be retired and replaced, this was always going to be a massive obstacle impossible to overcome. RAMBLERAMBLE! You really sound stressed, maybe stop rambling? You're just proving my point over the toxicity of the OT fans and how they can never accept new characters taking over.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 5, 2018 16:58:11 GMT
RAMBLERAMBLE! You really sound stressed, maybe stop rambling? You're just proving my point over the toxicity of the OT fans and how they can never accept new characters taking over. ALL REVIEWS ARE ONLY OT FANS! OT FANS ARE THE ONLY ONES ALLOWED TO REVIEW ON ROTTEN TOMATOES! IT MAKES SENSE. ahem...rambleon!
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 6, 2018 12:52:45 GMT
You're just proving my point over the toxicity of the OT fans and how they can never accept new characters taking over. ALL REVIEWS ARE ONLY OT FANS! OT FANS ARE THE ONLY ONES ALLOWED TO REVIEW ON ROTTEN TOMATOES! There's certainly enough of them to skew the ratings, yes. Of course, if Rey and Finn both died while Luke returned to lead the Resistance and Episode IX was now all about him the rating would be like 100%.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 6, 2018 12:53:39 GMT
ALL REVIEWS ARE ONLY OT FANS! OT FANS ARE THE ONLY ONES ALLOWED TO REVIEW ON ROTTEN TOMATOES! There's certainly enough of them to skew the ratings, yes. Of course, if Rey and Finn both died while Luke returned to lead the Resistance and Episode IX was now all about him the rating would be like 100%.
50% OF THE REVIEWS ARE NEGATIVE OT FANS DRAGGING IT DOWN. ONLY OT FANS ARE MAKING NEGATIVE REVIEWS!
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 6, 2018 13:06:38 GMT
There's certainly enough of them to skew the ratings, yes. Of course, if Rey and Finn both died while Luke returned to lead the Resistance and Episode IX was now all about him the rating would be like 100%.
50% OF THE REVIEWS ARE NEGATIVE OT FANS DRAGGING IT DOWN. ONLY OT FANS ARE MAKING NEGATIVE REVIEWS! Most of them, yes. Most fans who came on with TFA are okay moving on and accepting characters die instead of having them live forever.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 6, 2018 13:39:45 GMT
50% OF THE REVIEWS ARE NEGATIVE OT FANS DRAGGING IT DOWN. ONLY OT FANS ARE MAKING NEGATIVE REVIEWS! Most of them, yes. Most fans who came on with TFA are okay moving on and accepting characters die instead of having them live forever.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 6, 2018 13:43:49 GMT
Most of them, yes. Most fans who came on with TFA are okay moving on and accepting characters die instead of having them live forever. Did you ever wonder why the EU never bothered killing off/retiring Luke/Han/Leia and that comic about his descendant was set SO far ahead everyone was long gone?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 6, 2018 13:53:34 GMT
Did you ever wonder why the EU never bothered killing off/retiring Luke/Han/Leia and that comic about his descendant was set SO far ahead everyone was long gone? Cade was Luke's grandson - so it's not that far. And stop trying to move goalposts. The fact is that the EU did do other stories and other characters besides Luke, Han, and Leia. It's a fact. And your claims about the fanbase continue to be...
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 6, 2018 14:07:08 GMT
Did you ever wonder why the EU never bothered killing off/retiring Luke/Han/Leia and that comic about his descendant was set SO far ahead everyone was long gone? Cade was Luke's grandson - so it's not that far. He was far further down the line than that. Plus Luke was already long dead before he was introduced. Yeah, by doing a massive time jump to the future when they were long gone while the "real" stories always took place while Luke and co were alive so OT fans couldn't be offended. Anytime "real" stories happened in the EU, Luke and co ALWAYS were the leads and anytime they thought about passing the torch they always ended up going back to the OT cast. Hell, they even killed off Han and Leia's son Anakin just to make sure he would never be a lead!
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Post by ryboto on Apr 6, 2018 14:44:10 GMT
50% OF THE REVIEWS ARE NEGATIVE OT FANS DRAGGING IT DOWN. ONLY OT FANS ARE MAKING NEGATIVE REVIEWS! Most of them, yes. Most fans who came on with TFA are okay moving on and accepting characters die instead of having them live forever. MOST OF THE NEGATIVE REVIEWS ARE JUST OT FANS. SO THAT MEANS SOME NON OT FANBOYS REVIEWED IT NEGATIVE?! MIND BLOWN.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 14, 2018 18:48:34 GMT
Most of them, yes. Most fans who came on with TFA are okay moving on and accepting characters die instead of having them live forever. MOST OF THE NEGATIVE REVIEWS ARE JUST OT FANS. SO THAT MEANS SOME NON OT FANBOYS REVIEWED IT NEGATIVE?! The ones who succumbed to peer pressure, probably. The new audiences were fine with everything. Mainly probably because they weren't out to dislike the movie before it came out.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 15, 2018 1:33:09 GMT
MOST OF THE NEGATIVE REVIEWS ARE JUST OT FANS. SO THAT MEANS SOME NON OT FANBOYS REVIEWED IT NEGATIVE?! The ones who succumbed to peer pressure, probably. The new audiences were fine with everything. Mainly probably because they weren't out to dislike the movie before it came out. THOSE ARE FACTS, FOLKS!
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 15, 2018 14:09:23 GMT
The ones who succumbed to peer pressure, probably. The new audiences were fine with everything. Mainly probably because they weren't out to dislike the movie before it came out. THOSE ARE FACTS, FOLKS! formersamhmd wouldn't know a SW fact if it were shaped like a lightsaber and impaled him like Han Solo... or cut him in half like Darth Maul. FACT.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 18:12:20 GMT
MOST OF THE NEGATIVE REVIEWS ARE JUST OT FANS. SO THAT MEANS SOME NON OT FANBOYS REVIEWED IT NEGATIVE?! The ones who succumbed to peer pressure, probably. The new audiences were fine with everything. Mainly probably because they weren't out to dislike the movie before it came out. With a track record for nonsense like your above post, I'd recommend you see if Disney is hiring. They could use writers like you.
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