Eh, it's not like the OT didn't do this with Vader. Luke and Leia were fine with him after everything HE did, and his big sacrifice had NOTHING to do with genuine repentance...he just acted to save his son.
I said as much when I noted it was a franchise-wide problem.
Leia is never shown to be ok with Vader.
You ever read that comic where Vader lives and switches sides to the Rebels and gets a new all white outfit? She was fine with him there...in fact she seems fine with him in the EU too.
I admit, Finn is probably one of my least favorite good-guy characters in the new trilogy. On paper, he is the kind of character I normally like, but the lines they've given him have made him a bit too much of a comic relief in LAST JEDI. He was a better character in FORCE AWAKENS.
And, despite her getting slightly chummy & very forgiving of that Krybaby Ren, I still very much like Rey. I think she is as forgiving as Luke once was, as headstrong as any Skywalker, and as desperate for familial reconciliation as any child of her background might be.
I agree on both points. I just watched The Force Awakens the other day and he was very amusing and that, whereas he was trying way too hard in The Last Jedi. He was trying too hard at times in TFA, but it was almost the entire movie in TLJ.
I never understood this decision, especially since it takes place directly following the previous movie. She hates him in TFA and then you suddenly interested in saving his soul in TLJ? I understand what you’re saying about her trying to be forgiving, but it’s not even a week later. Plus, I always hated that about Star Wars. It’s one of my biggest complaints. I hate that they are always trying to turn and/or forgive the bad guys; at least the force sensitive ones.
I agree, it was like they were trying too da-gone hard to make Finn The Funny One. (And I say this as one of the 3 people in the galaxy who actually liked Jar Jar Binks, so...)
Yeah. I mean, I figure for Krybaby Ren & Finn's recoveries from their injuries from TFA, plus the amount of time it would take to evac that base post-Rey's flight, that at least a week had to have gone by. When I read one of the comic book tie-ins though, it seemed more like 6ish weeks between the fight on Starkiller Base and Rey's departure to go find Luke (I won't say it was or wasn't, just that it felt that way when they talked about Rey coming to visit Finn, and Poe's meetings with Leia - it seemed like too much happened for a couple weeks of time, but this is STAR WARS and sometimes a ridiculous amount of stuff happens in the span of an hour, then have nothing happen for 10 years), but even with almost two months to heal/think, it does seem a little extreme. The only thing I can say, to not totally want to shake someone at Disney, was that Rey was in such an emotionally fractured and unsettled place (when she leaves- Finn is comatose, BB8 went back to Poe, Han is dead, and now Luke isn't a mystical super-Jedi but is a grumpy hermit with a dedication to grumpiness that makes Oscar the Grouch look like Barney the Friendly Dinosaur by comparison) that Snoke was able to do much the same to her that he did to Ben when Ben was but a kid. He messed with her head to make her believe she could do for Kylo what Luke had done for Vader- that he pulled on that thread of her believing so much in family, her belief that a good Jedi could do just about anything, that she could change things, that she could save people, etc. etc. until she actually started feeling a kinship with Krybaby Ren, felt she could take down Snoke with only Ben Solo's help, and that she could prove to Luke that people could be saved so Luke would go back to being the person he once was to the Rebellion. I think it wasn't until Kylo refuses to stop the attack on the escaping Resistance fighters and he asks Rey to let everything die then join him to rule the galaxy together, that she realized that Kylo isn't Vader, she isn't Luke, and this ain't Episode 6: the Return of the Jedi.
PS: Sometimes I want to say, "Luke was ready to forgive and save Vader after Vader killed Luke's Aunt & Uncle, plus Obi-one, destroyed a whole planet, was ready to kill Leia, cut off Luke's hand in the same breath he announce "I am yo papa", tortured then traded Han, and was going to bring Leia to the Emperor to be turned or killed... But then I remember that Luke also had months/years to come through all that and his experience in the Force thingie on Degobah was of himself as Vader so he could see how easily he could have fallen, so he had a different sense of empathy... But I also think about how there may still be some backstory we don't know.
PSS: I will totally admit one thing I kinda love about the weird Kylo's version of "How I Became a Krybaby Jerk" and Luke version of "How I Failed My Nephew, Sister, and Best Friend". It is like the new trilogy's version of, 'From a certain point of view' on the origin of Krybaby Ren instead of Vader, and while Vader was deeply manipulated by a master that it took nearly killing his own children and 20+ years of abuse, before he could finally break free - Krybaby Ren got played by a jerk in a bathrobe, murdered his own father, attempted to murder his mother, and manipulated a stranger (or may be his cousin or sister) to try to help him kill off what was left of his parents' legacy, before going off to attempt to murder his uncle. There is NO SAVING KYLO REN, he doesn't want to be saved. That is the HUGE DIFFERENCE between Krybaby Ren and Vader--- under all the breathing apparatus and armor, Anikin wantedsomeone to end his pain, to bring him back into the light. Kylo seeks to embrace the dark.
"There is still hope." - Arwen, LotR "No man controls my destiny. Especially not one who attacks downwind and stinks of garlic." - Azim, ROBIN HOOD "Do you stop believing in the moon just because the sun comes out?" - Jack Frost, RISE OF THE GUARDIANS "I am no man." - Eowyn, LotR "I am Diana of Themyscira, daughter of Hippolyta, & your wrath upon this world is over." - Diana, WONDER WOMAN