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Post by Skaathar on Mar 13, 2017 18:29:38 GMT
Considering that this is Hugh Jackman's last Wolverine film, they really should have come up with a better villain than a younger Wolverine-clone. Put an iconic Wolveirne villain like Cyber or Omega-Red, change the story/writing so that it's a mutant that they've been experimenting putting cybernetics on and then you'd have a villain that would make a much bigger impact, someone that a final movie deserves. Giving us a Wolverine-clone as a villain just felt like a cheap cop-out.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 13, 2017 19:33:22 GMT
The clone was nod to a character named Albert.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 13, 2017 22:40:11 GMT
Wait, what? A clone, that's it? (yes I haven't seen it yet I know I know).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 22:43:26 GMT
I didn't even realise it was supposed to look like young Hugh Jackman until I saw his name listed against X-24 in the closing credits.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 13, 2017 23:13:13 GMT
He was actually meant to resemble Sabertooth from his hairstyle.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 13, 2017 23:16:31 GMT
i think they wanted to keep it smaller.
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Post by flasuss on Mar 14, 2017 0:48:13 GMT
I disagree. Freakin' Omega Red? That wouldn't fit the tone of the movie at all.
Also, X-24 isn't really the villain of the film.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2017 13:45:18 GMT
I disagree. Freakin' Omega Red? That wouldn't fit the tone of the movie at all. Also, X-24 isn't really the villain of the film. I really can't stand it when people say "It won't fit the tone!". People, this movie has people who have claws and regenerate and telepaths and cyborgs and s***. Someone like Omega Red isn't going to be any worse than any of that.
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Post by flasuss on Mar 14, 2017 13:59:34 GMT
A freakin' Soviet killing machine with TENTACLES? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't fit at all.
Plus, X-24 fits the movie thematically, because he's a literal representation of Logan's past (and thus Logan is running away from his past literally) without Logan's sense of morality or purpose.
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Post by Lee on Mar 14, 2017 14:09:24 GMT
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Don´t listen to him. Its just an idiotic troll, who doesnt know whhat hes talking about
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2017 14:20:14 GMT
A freakin' Soviet killing machine with TENTACLES? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't fit at all. Plus, X-24 fits the movie thematically, because he's a literal representation of Logan's past (and thus Logan is running away from his past literally) without Logan's sense of morality or purpose. Are metal tentacles/whips all that different from metal claws though? I mean, seriously? This prejudice against stuff from the comics being in CBMs gets to be a bit much after a while.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 14, 2017 15:17:22 GMT
A freakin' Soviet killing machine with TENTACLES? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't fit at all. Plus, X-24 fits the movie thematically, because he's a literal representation of Logan's past (and thus Logan is running away from his past literally) without Logan's sense of morality or purpose. That's a lousy reason. The villain will fit if the writing is adjusted for the villain. Obviously Omega Red won't fit if you maintained the exact same writing meant for X-24, that's just stupid. But obviously they could have written Omega Red (or Cyber) to fit the story if they wanted to. They could easily just make the story about how they've had a very old mutant that they've been experimenting on, combining with cybernetics. Make it seem like the reason they went with DNA clones was because their previous attempts at augmenting mutants with robotics never produced stable results... with the exception of this one. Or something like that. Since both Cyber and Omega Red have cybernetics and the movie already played around with cybernetic enhancements it actually fits. I'm pretty sure the writers could easily come up with something even better. Bottom line is, if your answer is "it wouldn't fit" then you're just not being imaginative enough. Besides, are you really telling me that had you not watched this movie, if all you knew was that this was the last Wolverine movie you'd get for the next decade or 2, would you still have wanted X-24 as the villain instead of Omega Red or Cyber?
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 14, 2017 15:24:40 GMT
Wait, what? A clone, that's it? (yes I haven't seen it yet I know I know). Crap dude, I'm sorry. I should have put spoilers but I had assumed people already watched it. You have my apologies.
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Post by flasuss on Mar 14, 2017 18:00:15 GMT
A freakin' Soviet killing machine with TENTACLES? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't fit at all. Plus, X-24 fits the movie thematically, because he's a literal representation of Logan's past (and thus Logan is running away from his past literally) without Logan's sense of morality or purpose. Besides, are you really telling me that had you not watched this movie, if all you knew was that this was the last Wolverine movie you'd get for the next decade or 2, would you still have wanted X-24 as the villain instead of Omega Red or Cyber? This is a stupid question. It doesn't matter what I would want before the movie, since I would just be judging it without having watched the film; I did watch the movie, and it was the right decision. Like I said, a freakin' Soviet killing machine with tentacles doesn't fit the tone of the film at all. And if you don't want to have Omega Red as a Soviet killing machine with tentacles...why do you want him in the first place? Also, like I said, X-24 isn't THE villain of the film- it's like saying Toad is the villain of the original X-men or something. And, again, X-24 fits the story thematically because he's a physical manifestation of the worst side of Logan- a remorseless, thoughtless killing machine with no morals and no connection to humanity. He's what Logan was made to be, and would have been without the X-men's intervention- first Cyclops, Jean and Nightcrawler freeing him from Stryker and later Xavier bringing him to the team.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 14, 2017 18:10:19 GMT
Besides, are you really telling me that had you not watched this movie, if all you knew was that this was the last Wolverine movie you'd get for the next decade or 2, would you still have wanted X-24 as the villain instead of Omega Red or Cyber? This is a stupid question. It doesn't matter what I would want before the movie, since I would just be judging it without having watched the film; I did watch the movie, and it was the right decision. Like I said, a freakin' Soviet killing machine with tentacles doesn't fit the tone of the film at all. And if you don't want to have Omega Red as a Soviet killing machine with tentacles...why do you want him in the first place? Also, like I said, X-24 isn't THE villain of the film- it's like saying Toad is the villain of the original X-men or something. And, again, X-24 fits the story thematically because he's a physical manifestation of the worst side of Logan- a remorseless, thoughtless killing machine with no morals and no connection to humanity. He's what Logan was made to be, and would have been without the X-men's intervention- first Cyclops, Jean and Nightcrawler freeing him from Stryker and later Xavier bringing him to the team. The problem is since you have not watched a version of this movie with Omega Red as the villain, you can't objectively say that making X-24 the villain instead of Omega Red was a better decision. Thus to put them on neutral grounds, I'm asking if you would have preferred X-24 even if you haven't watched this movie. A soviet killing machine with tentacles will fit the movie as long as the story is properly written to make him fit in. With the amount of liberties that Fox has taken in changing X-men roles and backstories, I would have preferred an Omega-Red with a semi-modified backstory instead of never getting him at all and instead getting a Wolverine knock off. You are aware that a movie can have multiple villains yes? I never claimed that he was the ONLY villain or that he was the main villain. And again, X-24 fit the story because they freakin WROTE THE STORY TO MAKE HIM FIT IN. I can't believe I need to keep repeating this, it's common sense. If they had cast a different villain obviously they would have written the story in a different manner to make THAT villain fit in. The whole "he doesn't fit in" reasoning is like saying medium rare is the only way to make steak just because you never tasted rare or well done.
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Post by flasuss on Mar 14, 2017 18:19:22 GMT
We're going in circles here: what you seem to want is that this film, that has been a complete success critically and commercially wise, should have been completely different for the sole purpose of using an obscure and weird 90's villain for...reasons.
What I am doing is judging the film for what it is, and it's very good. Having X-24 chasing Logan fit the film perfectly, and he has a personal connection to Logan that freakin' Cyber (?) and Omega Red just couldn't possibly have, and adds to the themes of the film neatly- Logan tries to escape from his past, but it's chasing him and threatening to destroying his future, with X-24 and X-23 being literal, physical representations of that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2017 18:21:14 GMT
We're going in circles here: what you seem to want is that this film, that has been a complete success critically and commercially wise, should have been completely different for the sole purpose of using an obscure and weird 90's villain for...reasons. What I am doing is judging the film for what it is, and it's very good. Having X-24 chasing Logan fit the film perfectly, and he has a personal connection to Logan that freakin' Cyber (?) and Omega Red just couldn't possibly have, and adds to the themes of the film neatly- Logan tries to escape from his past, but it's chasing him and threatening to destroying his future, with X-24 and X-23 being literal, physical representations of that. How do you know the movie WOULDN'T have been just as good with Omega Red?
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Post by flasuss on Mar 14, 2017 19:15:55 GMT
We're going in circles here: what you seem to want is that this film, that has been a complete success critically and commercially wise, should have been completely different for the sole purpose of using an obscure and weird 90's villain for...reasons. What I am doing is judging the film for what it is, and it's very good. Having X-24 chasing Logan fit the film perfectly, and he has a personal connection to Logan that freakin' Cyber (?) and Omega Red just couldn't possibly have, and adds to the themes of the film neatly- Logan tries to escape from his past, but it's chasing him and threatening to destroying his future, with X-24 and X-23 being literal, physical representations of that. How do you know the movie WOULDN'T have been just as good with Omega Red? How do you know the movie wouldn't be better if Elmer Fudd was the villain instead?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2017 21:42:27 GMT
How do you know the movie WOULDN'T have been just as good with Omega Red? How do you know the movie wouldn't be better if Elmer Fudd was the villain instead? You're comparing one of Logan's actual enemies with Elmer Fudd? Are you THAT disgusted with the comics?
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 14, 2017 22:40:15 GMT
We're going in circles here: what you seem to want is that this film, that has been a complete success critically and commercially wise, should have been completely different for the sole purpose of using an obscure and weird 90's villain for...reasons. What I am doing is judging the film for what it is, and it's very good. Having X-24 chasing Logan fit the film perfectly, and he has a personal connection to Logan that freakin' Cyber (?) and Omega Red just couldn't possibly have, and adds to the themes of the film neatly- Logan tries to escape from his past, but it's chasing him and threatening to destroying his future, with X-24 and X-23 being literal, physical representations of that. Obscure villains? Hah. I get it now, you actually have no idea who Omega Red is. Well, say no more. I now understand your stance. How can you appreciate having a more iconic villain in the last Wolverine movie if you have no clue who these villains are?
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