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Post by brownstones on Mar 14, 2017 16:43:49 GMT
because I don't have a disdain for the dceu? You should, because it's done nothing but ruin iconic characters. "i should?" nah.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 16:48:33 GMT
Name me a single redeeming quality about the mess Warner/DC has released. They have a boring, two-dimensional, depressing Pseudoman, a murderous Batman, a Wonder Woman played by an actress who would have been no one's first choice, and a Suicide Squad that don't even really act like villains, just heroes with troubles pasts. Not seeing a single resemblance with how the characters are supposed to be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 17:16:55 GMT
Remember when WeirdRaptor pretended that he wasn't biased, tried to start a "reasonable" thread by asking people if they preferred Marvel or DC, and then got immediately butthurt when people started telling him that they preferred DC? I do. Good times.
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Post by rateater on Mar 14, 2017 17:19:22 GMT
robert vaughn was in superman III
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Post by brownstones on Mar 14, 2017 17:55:43 GMT
Name me a single redeeming quality about the mess Warner/DC has released. They have a boring, two-dimensional, depressing Pseudoman, a murderous Batman, a Wonder Woman played by an actress who would have been no one's first choice, and a Suicide Squad that don't even really act like villains, just heroes with troubles pasts. Not seeing a single resemblance with how the characters are supposed to be. I liked their attempts to humanize superman, yes I know superman is suppose to be unflinching, no moral dilemmas, the ideal man (with powers of course), but people for years upon years have stated he's not relatable because he's so perfect and an alien (which is kind of weird to hear), so they tried to make him a man first, a superman second. he goes through the films trying to see how he, a super-being, fits into the world, how his point of view works within society, now I would prefer him to be more firm in his ideals, for there to be less character ambiguity. however I still do like the angle, because I personally still see him as just a man trying to do the right thing....because it's the right thing. with batman, while I would prefer less killing in general (the car chase *tisk tisk*), I thought it was interesting to see a batman whose beliefs have been questioned, that maybe his method of fighting crime (tossing criminals in jail) was futile, a batman has to rediscover his soul. WW, at least she wasn't Jaimie alexander or Gina Carano, i'd like and hope for Gal to be a better actress, because she has a natural openness about her compared to the actress I mentioned above. and with SS, i'm pretty sure they were originally more antagonistic, but WB lost their balls last second, so i'll give you that. you can get upset with my opinion if you want, but that's my take on it.
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Post by Times Up on Mar 14, 2017 18:05:56 GMT
Could be good or better. I'm curios about any possible tonal shift from what Synder initiated. I'd rather he gave us Matt Vaughn's Superman rather than his version of what Snyder was doing.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 14, 2017 18:11:50 GMT
Could be good or better. I'm curios about any possible tonal shift from what Synder initiated. I'd rather he gave us Matt Vaughn's Superman rather than his version of what Snyder was doing. I think the idea is that superman will return in JL as a new man, something closer to the comics, and will serve as an extremely soft character reboot to continue in future films.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:13:02 GMT
Name me a single redeeming quality about the mess Warner/DC has released. They have a boring, two-dimensional, depressing Pseudoman, a murderous Batman, a Wonder Woman played by an actress who would have been no one's first choice, and a Suicide Squad that don't even really act like villains, just heroes with troubles pasts. Not seeing a single resemblance with how the characters are supposed to be. I liked their attempts to humanize superman, yes I know superman is suppose to be unflinching, no moral dilemmas, the ideal man (with powers of course), but people for years upon years have stated he's not relatable because he's so perfect and an alien (which is kind of weird to hear), so they tried to make him a man first, a superman second. he goes through the films trying to see how he, a super-being, fits into the world, how his point of view works within society, now I would prefer him to be more firm in his ideals, for there to be less character ambiguity. however I still do like the angle, because I personally still see him as just a man trying to do the right thing....because it's the right thing. with batman, while I would prefer less killing in general (the car chase *tisk tisk*), I thought it was interesting to see a batman whose beliefs have been questioned, that maybe his method of fighting crime (tossing criminals in jail) was futile, a batman has to rediscover his soul. WW, at least she wasn't Jaimie alexander or Gina Carano, i'd like and hope for Gal to be a better actress, because she has a natural openness about her compared to the actress I mentioned above. and with SS, i'm pretty sure they were originally more antagonistic, but WB lost their balls last second, so i'll give you that. you can get upset with my opinion if you want, but that's my take on it. Bullshit. Many writers have humanized Superman successfully over the years. Man of Steel is by far and large the worst attempt I've ever seen. Everything you just described about Snyder's Superman was done a million times better by Bruce Timm and Paul Dini. They humanized him. They gave him moral dilemmas without compromising who Superman is supposed to be and without making him act like a gloomy teenager at the age of 33. They made him a man and a superman equally without compromising either aspects of him. They did everything you just described, only their way has been pretty universally praised. So what's Snyder's excuse? Oh, yes, and they did such a greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat job with this Batman.[/sarcasm] Such a great job that rediscovering his soul came about because of some person he doesn't like shouting "MARTHA!" instead of there actually being a philosophical journey. Jamie Alexander would be a million times better. I guarantee the SS was never more antagonistic in the film's script. Your take allows Warner/DC to continue making terrible movies that don't do the characters any justice. I want good DC-based films, but that'll never happen with them working off the faulty foundations of MoS.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:13:42 GMT
Could be good or better. I'm curios about any possible tonal shift from what Synder initiated. I'd rather he gave us Matt Vaughn's Superman rather than his version of what Snyder was doing. I think the idea is that superman will return in JL as a new man, something closer to the comics, and will serve as an extremely soft character reboot to continue in future films. You're giving Hack Snyder too much credit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:21:20 GMT
The Superman in MoS is actually a lot like the DCAU Superman. That's why I like him so much. He was gloomy in BvS, but he kinda had reason to be. In MoS, he was pretty normal.
Anyone who says that Superman in MoS was brooding or emo just wasn't paying attention.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 14, 2017 18:33:31 GMT
I liked their attempts to humanize superman, yes I know superman is suppose to be unflinching, no moral dilemmas, the ideal man (with powers of course), but people for years upon years have stated he's not relatable because he's so perfect and an alien (which is kind of weird to hear), so they tried to make him a man first, a superman second. he goes through the films trying to see how he, a super-being, fits into the world, how his point of view works within society, now I would prefer him to be more firm in his ideals, for there to be less character ambiguity. however I still do like the angle, because I personally still see him as just a man trying to do the right thing....because it's the right thing. with batman, while I would prefer less killing in general (the car chase *tisk tisk*), I thought it was interesting to see a batman whose beliefs have been questioned, that maybe his method of fighting crime (tossing criminals in jail) was futile, a batman has to rediscover his soul. WW, at least she wasn't Jaimie alexander or Gina Carano, i'd like and hope for Gal to be a better actress, because she has a natural openness about her compared to the actress I mentioned above. and with SS, i'm pretty sure they were originally more antagonistic, but WB lost their balls last second, so i'll give you that. you can get upset with my opinion if you want, but that's my take on it. Bullshit. Many writers have humanized Superman successfully over the years. Man of Steel is by far and large the worst attempt I've ever seen. Everything you just described about Snyder's Superman was done a million times better by Bruce Timm and Paul Dini. They humanized him. They gave him moral dilemmas without compromising who Superman is supposed to be and without making him act like a gloomy teenager at the age of 33. They made him a man and a superman equally without compromising either aspects of him. They did everything you just described, only their way has been pretty universally praised. So what's Snyder's excuse? Oh, yes, and they did such a greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat job with this Batman.[/sarcasm] Such a great job that rediscovering his soul came about because of some person he doesn't like shouting "MARTHA!" instead of there actually being a philosophical journey. Jamie Alexander would be a million times better. I guarantee the SS was never more antagonistic in the film's script. Your take allows Warner/DC to continue making terrible movies that don't do the characters any justice. I want good DC-based films, but that'll never happen with them working off the faulty foundations of MoS. you know i'm curious, what exactly do you want people to say? Because I told you what I saw in the films, which caused me to enjoy them, but it's wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:35:52 GMT
Bullshit. Many writers have humanized Superman successfully over the years. Man of Steel is by far and large the worst attempt I've ever seen. Everything you just described about Snyder's Superman was done a million times better by Bruce Timm and Paul Dini. They humanized him. They gave him moral dilemmas without compromising who Superman is supposed to be and without making him act like a gloomy teenager at the age of 33. They made him a man and a superman equally without compromising either aspects of him. They did everything you just described, only their way has been pretty universally praised. So what's Snyder's excuse? Oh, yes, and they did such a greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat job with this Batman.[/sarcasm] Such a great job that rediscovering his soul came about because of some person he doesn't like shouting "MARTHA!" instead of there actually being a philosophical journey. Jamie Alexander would be a million times better. I guarantee the SS was never more antagonistic in the film's script. Your take allows Warner/DC to continue making terrible movies that don't do the characters any justice. I want good DC-based films, but that'll never happen with them working off the faulty foundations of MoS. you know i'm curious, what exactly do you want people to say? Because I told you what I saw in the films, which caused me to enjoy them, but it's wrong? Are you seriously suggesting the DCEU leaves nothing to be desired? You seriously think this is the best they can do with Superman? This is the best that can be done with Batman? Wonder Woman? The Suicide Squad? If Marvel can humanize Captain America without compromising who the character is at his core, Warner/DC can do the same for Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:37:46 GMT
you know i'm curious, what exactly do you want people to say? Because I told you what I saw in the films, which caused me to enjoy them, but it's wrong? Are you seriously suggesting the DCEU leaves nothing to be desired? You seriously think this is the best they can do with Superman? This is the best that can be done with Batman? Wonder Woman? The Suicide Squad? If Marvel can humanize Captain America without compromising who the character is at his core, Warner/DC can do the same for Superman. He never said that, you moron.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 14, 2017 18:41:42 GMT
you know i'm curious, what exactly do you want people to say? Because I told you what I saw in the films, which caused me to enjoy them, but it's wrong? Are you seriously suggesting the DCEU leaves nothing to be desired? You seriously think this is the best they can do with Superman? This is the best that can be done with Batman? Wonder Woman? The Suicide Squad? If Marvel can humanize Captain America without compromising who the character is at his core, Warner/DC can do the same for Superman. I feel like you've asked the question before..... look, is it perfect? no. but do I like it? yes. do I think they can improve? yes. will they? no clue. marvel has made film I thought were terrible, but I never said "fuck it" reboot time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:44:23 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting the DCEU leaves nothing to be desired? You seriously think this is the best they can do with Superman? This is the best that can be done with Batman? Wonder Woman? The Suicide Squad? If Marvel can humanize Captain America without compromising who the character is at his core, Warner/DC can do the same for Superman. I feel like you've asked the question before..... look, is it perfect? no. but do I like it? yes. do I think they can improve? yes. will they? no clue. According to him, if you like something, you must think it's perfect. For example, I like the DC movies, therefore I think they're perfect. But at least he's consistent, as he likes the Marvel movies, and does indeed think they're perfect, even though they're not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:46:18 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting the DCEU leaves nothing to be desired? You seriously think this is the best they can do with Superman? This is the best that can be done with Batman? Wonder Woman? The Suicide Squad? If Marvel can humanize Captain America without compromising who the character is at his core, Warner/DC can do the same for Superman. I feel like you've asked the question before..... look, is it perfect? no. but do I like it? yes. do I think they can improve? yes. will they? no clue. marvel has made film I thought were terrible, but I never said "fuck it" reboot time. Except all three of DCEU's films have been hugely flawed on fundamental levels, if not outright sucking. Seriously, "Martha" being what solves all the bitterness and anger because Superman and Batman? That's the best they could come up with? And yet the same man who thought that was a good idea and killed Superman just two films in is directing Justice League. Marvel's films, at their worse, are at least coherent and have natural cause-effects with natural character development. Superman just completely stagnated between MoS and BvS when they promised he'd be closer to a proper Superman.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 14, 2017 19:06:08 GMT
I feel like you've asked the question before..... look, is it perfect? no. but do I like it? yes. do I think they can improve? yes. will they? no clue. marvel has made film I thought were terrible, but I never said "fuck it" reboot time. Except all three of DCEU's films have been hugely flawed on fundamental levels, if not outright sucking. Seriously, "Martha" being what solves all the bitterness and anger because Superman and Batman? That's the best they could come up with? And yet the same man who thought that was a good idea and killed Superman just two films in is directing Justice League. Marvel's films, at their worse, are at least coherent and have natural cause-effects with natural character development. Superman just completely stagnated between MoS and BvS when they promised he'd be closer to a proper Superman. I thought the Martha moment was kind of sincere, granted I wish they wrote the film to properly lead to that resolution. again i'm not saying the film is flawless, but for me the good outweighed the bad. yeah, at their worst Marvel films can be horrendously mediocre, like an Antman, thor2, IM2, or TIH and feel that they strive for nothing, and accomplish nothing, which rubs me the wrong, even with SS or Xmen Apocalypse left me a bit disappointed (one more than the other....guess which one), but I haven't demanded they toss the baby out with the bath water, because I still see salvageable qualities.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 19:12:39 GMT
Except all three of DCEU's films have been hugely flawed on fundamental levels, if not outright sucking. Seriously, "Martha" being what solves all the bitterness and anger because Superman and Batman? That's the best they could come up with? And yet the same man who thought that was a good idea and killed Superman just two films in is directing Justice League. Marvel's films, at their worse, are at least coherent and have natural cause-effects with natural character development. Superman just completely stagnated between MoS and BvS when they promised he'd be closer to a proper Superman. I thought the Martha moment was kind of sincere, granted I wish they wrote the film to properly lead to that resolution. again i'm not saying the film is flawless, but for me the good outweighed the bad. yeah, at their worst Marvel films can be horrendously mediocre, like an Antman, thor2, IM2, or TIH and feel that they strive for nothing, and accomplish nothing, which rubs me the wrong, even with SS or Xmen Apocalypse left me a bit disappointed (one more than the other....guess which one), but I haven't demanded they toss the baby out with the bath water, because I still see salvageable qualities. Except it doesn't work. Do you have any idea how many Marthas there are out there? Does Batman react this way if he hears someone bring up a "Martha" in a casual conversation. If anything, it needed to be "Lois", because he at least had a vision about Lois being the key earlier. Martha is a fairly common name and could easily have nothing to do with him. Er, TIH and Ant-Man accomplished exactly what they set out to do. I'll agree that Ironman 2 and Thor 2 were very flawed, but they at least had good films proceeding them and coming after them. The muddled mess that is the X-Men franchise does also need to be tossed out with the bathwater considering they're only going to continue to repeat what the other films have done like a Groundhog's day loop.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 14, 2017 19:24:56 GMT
I thought the Martha moment was kind of sincere, granted I wish they wrote the film to properly lead to that resolution. again i'm not saying the film is flawless, but for me the good outweighed the bad. yeah, at their worst Marvel films can be horrendously mediocre, like an Antman, thor2, IM2, or TIH and feel that they strive for nothing, and accomplish nothing, which rubs me the wrong, even with SS or Xmen Apocalypse left me a bit disappointed (one more than the other....guess which one), but I haven't demanded they toss the baby out with the bath water, because I still see salvageable qualities. Except it doesn't work. Do you have any idea how many Marthas there are out there? Does Batman react this way if he hears someone bring up a "Martha" in a casual conversation. If anything, it needed to be "Lois", because he at least had a vision about Lois being the key earlier. Martha is a fairly common name and could easily have nothing to do with him. Er, TIH and Ant-Man accomplished exactly what they set out to do. I'll agree that Ironman 2 and Thor 2 were very flawed, but they at least had good films proceeding them and coming after them. The muddled mess that is the X-Men franchise does also need to be tossed out with the bathwater considering they're only going to continue to repeat what the other films have done like a Groundhog's day loop. I just think it's kind of touching, the man you spent 2 years hating, in his potentially final breaths asks you to save his mother, whose name is that of your late mother. personally I would have written the sequence without needing Lois coming into explain it's his mom, since it detracts. ....I can barely get through TIH, for me....it's a nothing movie, it's difficult to watch, so noisy visually and audibly. Antman wasn't very funny in my opinion and lacked a proper personality. oh xmen will be fine, they just need new blood other than singer's.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 19:29:43 GMT
Except it doesn't work. Do you have any idea how many Marthas there are out there? Does Batman react this way if he hears someone bring up a "Martha" in a casual conversation. If anything, it needed to be "Lois", because he at least had a vision about Lois being the key earlier. Martha is a fairly common name and could easily have nothing to do with him. Er, TIH and Ant-Man accomplished exactly what they set out to do. I'll agree that Ironman 2 and Thor 2 were very flawed, but they at least had good films proceeding them and coming after them. The muddled mess that is the X-Men franchise does also need to be tossed out with the bathwater considering they're only going to continue to repeat what the other films have done like a Groundhog's day loop. I just think it's kind of touching, the man you spent 2 years hating, in his potentially final breaths asks you to save his mother, whose name is that of your late mother. personally I would have written the sequence without needing Lois coming into explain it's his mom, since it detracts. ....I can barely get through TIH, for me....it's a nothing movie, it's difficult to watch, so noisy visually and audibly. Antman wasn't very funny in my opinion and lacked a proper personality. oh xmen will be fine, they just need new blood other than singer's. Because he doesn't say "save mom". He says "You're letting them kill Martha," which could literally be ANY Martha. Had he had "You're letting them kill Lois!", that would at least tie into the vision he got earlier. "Lois is the key!" Then there's still no need for Lois to intervene, because now she's the one in distress. TIH is about Bruce Banner learning to accept the Hulk as something other than a monster, which leads directly to his involvement during The Avengers. The film accomplishes this regardless of how one feels about the film. You would be in the minority concerning Ant-man. X-Men will never get that new blood, because Fox is run by clueless dullards.
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