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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 4:00:31 GMT
I liked seasons 1-2-3 (with ups and downs) but disliked season 4 (when I felt the show lost its magic), so I'm not surprised that it's been cancelled. It's interesting to notice that Amazon reviews had bitter complaints about season 4 and now that it's been cancelled everybody is angry at Amazon saying how great this show was. Sure, I could have posted this in some sort of TV show board but I figure that mostly or preferentially people with an interest in classical music were the bulk of this show's fans. Or not. Anyway, FWIW; what do you all think of this show, if you do know it, and if you do, how do you feel about its cancellation?
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Post by thornberry on Apr 9, 2018 23:03:34 GMT
I couldn't get into it because I need closed captioning, and the captioning for some reason was really delayed and didn't go with the action. It was unwatchable for me.
I probably wouldn't have stayed with it anyway.
Tell me something about it that might make me try again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 1:42:51 GMT
I couldn't get into it because I need closed captioning, and the captioning for some reason was really delayed and didn't go with the action. It was unwatchable for me. I probably wouldn't have stayed with it anyway. Tell me something about it that might make me try again. If you need closed captioning, I'm assuming a hearing loss, and music is the main asset of this show (well, there are some attractive females, too), so, if that's the case, it would be difficult to get into it. But while it's highly fictional (based on a book that was questioned by the musicians who were colleagues of the author, and only closely based on it for half of one season), it does show a sort of inside look into the business of making and presenting classical music, and all the interpersonal relationships in an orchestra. So it's pretty entertaining for classical music lovers. Also, there were some compelling characters, it was mostly well-written, with good production values, some good actors and actresses... in general, a good show (like I said with ups and downs - the downs being that it was a bit over the top and over-histrionic), at least during seasons 1, 2, and 3, while 4 got to be whiny and silly and more of a romantic comedy, with less of interpersonal conflicts in the orchestra (which is pretty much dismantled in season 4 - it becomes a love story between the two main characters and that part is not really what was good about the show).
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Post by thornberry on Apr 10, 2018 2:13:10 GMT
I couldn't get into it because I need closed captioning, and the captioning for some reason was really delayed and didn't go with the action. It was unwatchable for me. I probably wouldn't have stayed with it anyway. Tell me something about it that might make me try again. If you need closed captioning, I'm assuming a hearing loss, and music is the main asset of this show (well, there are some attractive females, too), so, if that's the case, it would be difficult to get into it. But while it's highly fictional (based on a book that was questioned by the musicians who were colleagues of the author, and only closely based on it for half of one season), it does show a sort of inside look into the business of making and presenting classical music, and all the interpersonal relationships in an orchestra. So it's pretty entertaining for classical music lovers. Also, there were some compelling characters, it was mostly well-written, with good production values, some good actors and actresses... in general, a good show (like I said with ups and downs - the downs being that it was a bit over the top and over-histrionic), at least during seasons 1, 2, and 3, while 4 got to be whiny and silly and more of a romantic comedy, with less of interpersonal conflicts in the orchestra (which is pretty much dismantled in season 4 - it becomes a love story between the two main characters and that part is not really what was good about the show). I don't have a problem hearing music. I can't understand mumbly actors and there aren't many these days with crisp, clear voices. I end up missing a lot of good lines not to mention information without closed captioning. It was so peculiar that the one time I tried to view this series the captioning lagged by several seconds - I have no idea why and I didn't try again. The series looked a bit histrionic to me already. I would be interested in the lives of classical musicians, what they go through to keep their high standards, how they relate to each other, are they competitive, what kind of things can go wrong during a concert, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 2:18:12 GMT
If you need closed captioning, I'm assuming a hearing loss, and music is the main asset of this show (well, there are some attractive females, too), so, if that's the case, it would be difficult to get into it. But while it's highly fictional (based on a book that was questioned by the musicians who were colleagues of the author, and only closely based on it for half of one season), it does show a sort of inside look into the business of making and presenting classical music, and all the interpersonal relationships in an orchestra. So it's pretty entertaining for classical music lovers. Also, there were some compelling characters, it was mostly well-written, with good production values, some good actors and actresses... in general, a good show (like I said with ups and downs - the downs being that it was a bit over the top and over-histrionic), at least during seasons 1, 2, and 3, while 4 got to be whiny and silly and more of a romantic comedy, with less of interpersonal conflicts in the orchestra (which is pretty much dismantled in season 4 - it becomes a love story between the two main characters and that part is not really what was good about the show). I don't have a problem hearing music. I can't understand mumbly actors and there aren't many these days with crisp, clear voices. I end up missing a lot of good lines not to mention information without closed captioning. It was so peculiar that the one time I tried to view this series the captioning lagged by several seconds - I have no idea why and I didn't try again. The series looked a bit histrionic to me already. I would be interested in the lives of classical musicians, what they go through to keep their high standards, how they relate to each other, are they competitive, what kind of things can go wrong during a concert, etc. Yeah, sure, histrionic exaggeration was definitely a downside. But your second paragraph, yes, you'd see a lot of that, if you were to give the show another chance. Yes, it's very annoying when closed captions lag behind. I wonder if some advanced receivers will have ways to compensate for it by delaying the image. I know that my Yamaha receiver has a function for it, which I've never learned to use (but I remember reading about it when I first bought it).
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Post by thornberry on Apr 10, 2018 13:14:36 GMT
I don't have a problem hearing music. I can't understand mumbly actors and there aren't many these days with crisp, clear voices. I end up missing a lot of good lines not to mention information without closed captioning. It was so peculiar that the one time I tried to view this series the captioning lagged by several seconds - I have no idea why and I didn't try again. The series looked a bit histrionic to me already. I would be interested in the lives of classical musicians, what they go through to keep their high standards, how they relate to each other, are they competitive, what kind of things can go wrong during a concert, etc. Yeah, sure, histrionic exaggeration was definitely a downside. But your second paragraph, yes, you'd see a lot of that, if you were to give the show another chance. Yes, it's very annoying when closed captions lag behind. I wonder if some advanced receivers will have ways to compensate for it by delaying the image. I know that my Yamaha receiver has a function for it, which I've never learned to use (but I remember reading about it when I first bought it). Sounds like a nice function to have on a receiver, the option to delay the image. Speaking of what can go wrong in a concert, I saw a snafu recently. We get Berlin Philharmonic live broadcasts on our TV. Berlin was playing the Schumann piano concerto with Trifonov. On live TV during a closeup on clarinets the principal clarinet experienced a problem with his instrument, stopped playing, took the mouthpiece off and appeared to look for an obstruction. Presumably the second clarinet stepped in and played his part. The principal never lost his cool, had a faint wry smile, eventually resumed play. This was edited out in the archived version of the concert but the camera did not look away during the live broadcast. Maybe they recognized this as good drama. We didn't see this clarinetist for three concerts since, usually principals alternate as Berlin seems to have more than one in most sections. I hope he wasn't given a timeout for that or even fired. Certainly things will go wrong, violinists break strings, stuff like that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 13:39:21 GMT
Yeah, sure, histrionic exaggeration was definitely a downside. But your second paragraph, yes, you'd see a lot of that, if you were to give the show another chance. Yes, it's very annoying when closed captions lag behind. I wonder if some advanced receivers will have ways to compensate for it by delaying the image. I know that my Yamaha receiver has a function for it, which I've never learned to use (but I remember reading about it when I first bought it). Sounds like a nice function to have on a receiver, the option to delay the image. Speaking of what can go wrong in a concert, I saw a snafu recently. We get Berlin Philharmonic live broadcasts on our TV. Berlin was playing the Schumann piano concerto with Trifonov. On live TV during a closeup on clarinets the principal clarinet experienced a problem with his instrument, stopped playing, took the mouthpiece off and appeared to look for an obstruction. Presumably the second clarinet stepped in and played his part. The principal never lost his cool, had a faint wry smile, eventually resumed play. This was edited out in the archived version of the concert but the camera did not look away during the live broadcast. Maybe they recognized this as good drama. We didn't see this clarinetist for three concerts since, usually principals alternate as Berlin seems to have more than one in most sections. I hope he wasn't given a timeout for that or even fired. Certainly things will go wrong, violinists break strings, stuff like that. LOL, cool stuff about the clarinet principal. I doubt he'd be fired for that. As the proverbial saying goes, "shit happens." In opera, that is, live theater, all sorts of snafus have happened, from revealing wardrobe malfunctions (fun, fun!) to slips and falls, etc., including, people dropping dead on stage from heart attacks. The latter, not so funny, of course.
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Post by thornberry on Apr 12, 2018 0:12:38 GMT
Sounds like a nice function to have on a receiver, the option to delay the image. Speaking of what can go wrong in a concert, I saw a snafu recently. We get Berlin Philharmonic live broadcasts on our TV. Berlin was playing the Schumann piano concerto with Trifonov. On live TV during a closeup on clarinets the principal clarinet experienced a problem with his instrument, stopped playing, took the mouthpiece off and appeared to look for an obstruction. Presumably the second clarinet stepped in and played his part. The principal never lost his cool, had a faint wry smile, eventually resumed play. This was edited out in the archived version of the concert but the camera did not look away during the live broadcast. Maybe they recognized this as good drama. We didn't see this clarinetist for three concerts since, usually principals alternate as Berlin seems to have more than one in most sections. I hope he wasn't given a timeout for that or even fired. Certainly things will go wrong, violinists break strings, stuff like that. LOL, cool stuff about the clarinet principal. I doubt he'd be fired for that. As the proverbial saying goes, "shit happens." In opera, that is, live theater, all sorts of snafus have happened, from revealing wardrobe malfunctions (fun, fun!) to slips and falls, etc., including, people dropping dead on stage from heart attacks. The latter, not so funny, of course. This is the guy, he is young with movie star looks, he should be in "Mozart in the Jungle": www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en/orchestra/musician/andreas-ottensamer/In opera I have seen a character in "Orlando" slip but recover and a Met singer in "Cosi Fan Tutte" with her sleeve hanging off her dress during her aria. Some of those bodices leave me praying they are well engineered. Outdoor concert venues are fun: A loud blast of thunder from a close lightning strike at a live performance during which the singer didn't bat an eye. A viola soloist in "Harold in Italy" drowned out by the godawful sounds of baby starlings from their nests in the rafters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 4:38:59 GMT
LOL, cool stuff about the clarinet principal. I doubt he'd be fired for that. As the proverbial saying goes, "shit happens." In opera, that is, live theater, all sorts of snafus have happened, from revealing wardrobe malfunctions (fun, fun!) to slips and falls, etc., including, people dropping dead on stage from heart attacks. The latter, not so funny, of course. This is the guy, he is young with movie star looks, he should be in "Mozart in the Jungle": www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en/orchestra/musician/andreas-ottensamer/In opera I have seen a character in "Orlando" slip but recover and a Met singer in "Cosi Fan Tutte" with her sleeve hanging off her dress during her aria. Some of those bodices leave me praying they are well engineered. Outdoor concert venues are fun: A loud blast of thunder from a close lightning strike at a live performance during which the singer didn't bat an eye. A viola soloist in "Harold in Italy" drowned out by the godawful sounds of baby starlings from their nests in the rafters. Natalie Dessay in one of her Lucia di Lammermoor performances had a wardrobe malfunction that exposed her naked breasts. I saw that performance on YouTube. Interesting sight. When the very beautiful Elina Garanca had her Carmen final scene with Roberto Alagna at the Met and he kept tugging on her top, and those big and beautiful boobs of hers looked like they'd pop out, the entire heterosexual male population in the theater (I was there) stopped breathing in thrilling anticipation... unfortunately, it didn't happen. Whatever adhesive they used to keep her breasts covered, sadly worked.
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Post by thornberry on Apr 14, 2018 17:28:23 GMT
This is the guy, he is young with movie star looks, he should be in "Mozart in the Jungle": www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en/orchestra/musician/andreas-ottensamer/In opera I have seen a character in "Orlando" slip but recover and a Met singer in "Cosi Fan Tutte" with her sleeve hanging off her dress during her aria. Some of those bodices leave me praying they are well engineered. Outdoor concert venues are fun: A loud blast of thunder from a close lightning strike at a live performance during which the singer didn't bat an eye. A viola soloist in "Harold in Italy" drowned out by the godawful sounds of baby starlings from their nests in the rafters. Natalie Dessay in one of her Lucia di Lammermoor performances had a wardrobe malfunction that exposed her naked breasts. I saw that performance on YouTube. Interesting sight. When the very beautiful Elina Garanca had her Carmen final scene with Roberto Alagna at the Met and he kept tugging on her top, and those big and beautiful boobs of hers looked like they'd pop out, the entire heterosexual male population in the theater (I was there) stopped breathing in thrilling anticipation... unfortunately, it didn't happen. Whatever adhesive they used to keep her breasts covered, sadly worked. I saw that Carmen and I remember that was a rough scene with them on the ground, but that's all I remember. Heterosexual men are rooting for one thing to happen and women who are not Janet Jackson are watching in horror rooting for the dress to hold together. Maybe I'll give "Mozart in the Jungle" another try without closed captioning, I'm too dependent on it anyway. I can't believe it's four seasons already for that show.
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