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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 10, 2018 15:26:03 GMT
Nope! 2 billion dollars at the box office by TFA proves that The movie attracted a new generation of fans to make up for the angry OT fans who were pissed there were new movies. That's NOT why TFA was so successful at the box office. TFA was so successful because they marketed it (somewhat misleadingly) as a SW film that was going to provide what every SW demographic wanted. The PT fans wanted new worlds. They wanted new characters with SW heritage (OT or PT) but with a new, unique twist. Disney marketed that by only showing the ship graveyard of Jakku in their trailers. They never show the salvage town that rips off Mos Eisley. Disney also shows a shot of Maz's castle and a new droid. They show Rey on a new land speeder. (A new character using new tech). Kylo's outfit bares some resemblance to a Legend EU character. Finn is first seen as a Stormtrooper, then with a lightsaber against Kylo. The way the trailers edited Finn's scenes it implied he could be a new type of character. Perhaps a Stormtrooper who becomes a Jedi. This was all clever marketing by Disney to get prequel fans to see TFA without any reservations that might come about because it would be a movie that didn't include their tastes. It worked. PT fans turned out in droves the first month before word start to spread about the real tone of the movie. OT fans wanted a SW that looked like OT SW again. They wanted to see that organic universe onscreen. And keep the prequel look and pacing to a minimal. They wanted new characters that were in the OT style of characters. They wanted that type of pacing back. And they wanted to see their OT favorites share the spotlight with the new characters. They wanted to see where the OT characters had evolved to taking on new threats. Disney marketed TFA in a way that it looked like it was going to bring all of those things. The trailers showed the Millennium Falcon prominently. (But they never showed who was piloting it). It showed some X-wings and TIE fighters. We got a cameo of Han and Chewie entering the Falcon; cleverly implying that they were the ones flying it in acrobatic maneuvers. There are scenes of Vader's helmet, a chrome Stormtrooper, and a cameo of Luke with a mechanical hand kneeling by R2D2. All of this was designed to whet the appetites of OT fans. They also show the new characters in the trailers more than they do the OT characters. All of the posters prominently featured the ST characters; giving the impression that they would have more screen time. OT fans were hyped for the messages this was sending. It worked. The OT fans turned out in complete support at the box office for TFA. (In fact not one negative thing was said in the OT camp until a rumor surfaced a week before the premiere that because Luke was not on any of the movie posters, he would only have a cameo in the movie. Turned out to be true). Also, none of the trailers ever showed Finn's Disney stooge act, which would have brought on flashbacks of Jar Jar for OT fans. Disney also marketed this movie to it's own Disney audiences aka Disney warrior princess fans, by showing the female lead in harsh environments and prominently featuring her in the movie posters. That drew the curiosity of Disney fans who wanted a live action heroine done at least partly in the Disney style. (Little did they know - to their delight - that they heroine would be rigidly prototypical of the Disney warrior princess). This is why TFA made 2 billion dollars! Because everything I just said about how those different fanbase demographics received TFA is true. TFA made a billion dollars in its first 2 weeks! That's a record that will probably never be broken. And it happened because all of the SW fanbases turned out in total support. What happened was that after 2 weeks word was starting to circulate about some of TFA's problems (despite media sources still clinging to not revealing spoilers)... the rumor about Luke getting confirmation, the heavy rehash of ANH, Rey's use of the Force looking more like Disney magic. Prequel fans began to stall their support. And a minority of OT fans began to curb their box office enthusiasm. After a month... a month in a half, media sources were starting to reveal spoilers and the total identity of TFA was revealed even more widespread. This tamed box office attendance overall. The Disney princess fans were now fully aware of Rey's warrior princess characterization. They were continuing to make repeat viewings and turn out in droves. Most prequel fans were giving sparse support. And the OT fans were divided with a minority drawing away from repeated viewings, but a majority slowing their repeat viewing enthusiasm but still turning out. This explains why TFA made half it's box office in the first 2 and a half weeks. It was actually on pace to blow by 'Titanic' at the box office to the tune of embarrassing it. It was on pace to surpass 'Avatar'. And you know what? If TFA had been the movie that they marketed it to be - it would have. So yeah, Disney screwed up the best hand in cinematic history! Nope. Up until they saw the movie and realized that they had been somewhat suckered with false marketing. And they had to stomach the above issues I mentioned. As ryboto has said - this is just a bunch of slanderous, baseless rambling. (Yawn) More baseless rambling that amounts to lies which have never been supported with a crumb of evidence! Fans were pissed off because he was reduced to a no-dialogue, 5 minute cameo in TFA. Then reduced to a non-Jedi, drunken, grumpy hermit in TLJ. Everyday more lies...
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Post by ryboto on Apr 10, 2018 16:43:40 GMT
That's NOT why TFA was so successful at the box office. TFA was so successful because they marketed it (somewhat misleadingly) as a SW film that was going to provide what every SW demographic wanted. The PT fans wanted new worlds. They wanted new characters with SW heritage (OT or PT) but with a new, unique twist. Disney marketed that by only showing the ship graveyard of Jakku in their trailers. They never show the salvage town that rips off Mos Eisley. Disney also shows a shot of Maz's castle and a new droid. They show Rey on a new land speeder. (A new character using new tech). Kylo's outfit bares some resemblance to a Legend EU character. Finn is first seen as a Stormtrooper, then with a lightsaber against Kylo. The way the trailers edited Finn's scenes it implied he could be a new type of character. Perhaps a Stormtrooper who becomes a Jedi. This was all clever marketing by Disney to get prequel fans to see TFA without any reservations that might come about because it would be a movie that didn't include their tastes. It worked. PT fans turned out in droves the first month before word start to spread about the real tone of the movie. OT fans wanted a SW that looked like OT SW again. They wanted to see that organic universe onscreen. And keep the prequel look and pacing to a minimal. They wanted new characters that were in the OT style of characters. They wanted that type of pacing back. And they wanted to see their OT favorites share the spotlight with the new characters. They wanted to see where the OT characters had evolved to taking on new threats. Disney marketed TFA in a way that it looked like it was going to bring all of those things. The trailers showed the Millennium Falcon prominently. (But they never showed who was piloting it). It showed some X-wings and TIE fighters. We got a cameo of Han and Chewie entering the Falcon; cleverly implying that they were the ones flying it in acrobatic maneuvers. There are scenes of Vader's helmet, a chrome Stormtrooper, and a cameo of Luke with a mechanical hand kneeling by R2D2. All of this was designed to whet the appetites of OT fans. They also show the new characters in the trailers more than they do the OT characters. All of the posters prominently featured the ST characters; giving the impression that they would have more screen time. OT fans were hyped for the messages this was sending. It worked. The OT fans turned out in complete support at the box office for TFA. (In fact not one negative thing was said in the OT camp until a rumor surfaced a week before the premiere that because Luke was not on any of the movie posters, he would only have a cameo in the movie. Turned out to be true). Also, none of the trailers ever showed Finn's Disney stooge act, which would have brought on flashbacks of Jar Jar for OT fans. Disney also marketed this movie to it's own Disney audiences aka Disney warrior princess fans, by showing the female lead in harsh environments and prominently featuring her in the movie posters. That drew the curiosity of Disney fans who wanted a live action heroine done at least partly in the Disney style. (Little did they know - to their delight - that they heroine would be rigidly prototypical of the Disney warrior princess). This is why TFA made 2 billion dollars! Because everything I just said about how those different fanbase demographics received TFA is true. TFA made a billion dollars in its first 2 weeks! That's a record that will probably never be broken. And it happened because all of the SW fanbases turned out in total support. What happened was that after 2 weeks word was starting to circulate about some of TFA's problems (despite media sources still clinging to not revealing spoilers)... the rumor about Luke getting confirmation, the heavy rehash of ANH, Rey's use of the Force looking more like Disney magic. Prequel fans began to stall their support. And a minority of OT fans began to curb their box office enthusiasm. After a month... a month in a half, media sources were starting to reveal spoilers and the total identity of TFA was revealed even more widespread. This tamed box office attendance overall. The Disney princess fans were now fully aware of Rey's warrior princess characterization. They were continuing to make repeat viewings and turn out in droves. Most prequel fans were giving sparse support. And the OT fans were divided with a minority drawing away from repeated viewings, but a majority slowing their repeat viewing enthusiasm but still turning out. This explains why TFA made half it's box office in the first 2 and a half weeks. It was actually on pace to blow by 'Titanic' at the box office to the tune of embarrassing it. It was on pace to surpass 'Avatar'. And you know what? If TFA had been the movie that they marketed it to be - it would have. So yeah, Disney screwed up the best hand in cinematic history! I still remember the trailer, as you describe it.. They should get props at least for that. The trailer, for me, was fantastic. The one with Leia's music...it made me excited, I felt like they were continuing the SW mythos and 'feel'...It was the ultimate psych out. Man...I wish they'd made the movie in that trailer...
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 16:47:49 GMT
The movie attracted a new generation of fans to make up for the angry OT fans who were pissed there were new movies. That's NOT why TFA was so successful at the box office. TFA was so successful because they marketed it (somewhat misleadingly) as a SW film that was going to provide what every SW demographic wanted. The PT fans wanted new worlds. They wanted new characters with SW heritage (OT or PT) but with a new, unique twist. Which was incompatible with what OT fans wanted. What, were they expecting the whole planet to be one big starship graveyard with nothing else? Actually, I'm pretty sure they starting taking swipes at Rey as soon as they saw she lived on a Sand planet and drove any kind of land speeder. He looked like Vader, even though we've ton plenty of other Sith who dress similarly and no one complained. Which would violate the existing lore of SW, another strike that offends everyone. Incompatible with how the PT did things. They wanted JUST the OT characters back, with any new characters delegated to minimal "bumbling sidekick" or "useless tagalong" roles so to not threaten the OT characters. Yeah, he should've been a 1-Note Stoic Badass who doesn't emote instead of showing any flaws. Of course, the tons and tons of new people who weren't invested in SW couldn't have been drawn just out of mere curiosity... Don't ask for the impossible. PT and ST fans are diametrically opposed, so doing something that had both PT and OT stuff was always impossible. The OT characters could never be portrayed exactly the way they were in the OT if new characters were ever going to be more than useless sidekicks, so having fully heroic ST leads and OT Heroes at full power was another impossibility because the OT characters would ALWAYS have utterly sabotaged the ST characters with their mere presence. Another impossibility. The OT leads were actually going to NOT be the stars of these movies. Which turned off OT fans. Go read the Expanded Universe Novels, do ANY of them have the OT losing in any new adventures or conflicts? Do we EVER get stories of the OT cast dying and passing their torch to any new characters? No, the OT cast are ALWAYS in the lead and the new characters are NEVER allowed to be epic heroes in their own right. Everything ALWAYS had to be under the shadow of the OT characters.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 16:53:12 GMT
That's NOT why TFA was so successful at the box office. TFA was so successful because they marketed it (somewhat misleadingly) as a SW film that was going to provide what every SW demographic wanted. The PT fans wanted new worlds. They wanted new characters with SW heritage (OT or PT) but with a new, unique twist. Disney marketed that by only showing the ship graveyard of Jakku in their trailers. They never show the salvage town that rips off Mos Eisley. Disney also shows a shot of Maz's castle and a new droid. They show Rey on a new land speeder. (A new character using new tech). Kylo's outfit bares some resemblance to a Legend EU character. Finn is first seen as a Stormtrooper, then with a lightsaber against Kylo. The way the trailers edited Finn's scenes it implied he could be a new type of character. Perhaps a Stormtrooper who becomes a Jedi. This was all clever marketing by Disney to get prequel fans to see TFA without any reservations that might come about because it would be a movie that didn't include their tastes. It worked. PT fans turned out in droves the first month before word start to spread about the real tone of the movie. OT fans wanted a SW that looked like OT SW again. They wanted to see that organic universe onscreen. And keep the prequel look and pacing to a minimal. They wanted new characters that were in the OT style of characters. They wanted that type of pacing back. And they wanted to see their OT favorites share the spotlight with the new characters. They wanted to see where the OT characters had evolved to taking on new threats. Disney marketed TFA in a way that it looked like it was going to bring all of those things. The trailers showed the Millennium Falcon prominently. (But they never showed who was piloting it). It showed some X-wings and TIE fighters. We got a cameo of Han and Chewie entering the Falcon; cleverly implying that they were the ones flying it in acrobatic maneuvers. There are scenes of Vader's helmet, a chrome Stormtrooper, and a cameo of Luke with a mechanical hand kneeling by R2D2. All of this was designed to whet the appetites of OT fans. They also show the new characters in the trailers more than they do the OT characters. All of the posters prominently featured the ST characters; giving the impression that they would have more screen time. OT fans were hyped for the messages this was sending. It worked. The OT fans turned out in complete support at the box office for TFA. (In fact not one negative thing was said in the OT camp until a rumor surfaced a week before the premiere that because Luke was not on any of the movie posters, he would only have a cameo in the movie. Turned out to be true). Also, none of the trailers ever showed Finn's Disney stooge act, which would have brought on flashbacks of Jar Jar for OT fans. Disney also marketed this movie to it's own Disney audiences aka Disney warrior princess fans, by showing the female lead in harsh environments and prominently featuring her in the movie posters. That drew the curiosity of Disney fans who wanted a live action heroine done at least partly in the Disney style. (Little did they know - to their delight - that they heroine would be rigidly prototypical of the Disney warrior princess). This is why TFA made 2 billion dollars! Because everything I just said about how those different fanbase demographics received TFA is true. TFA made a billion dollars in its first 2 weeks! That's a record that will probably never be broken. And it happened because all of the SW fanbases turned out in total support. What happened was that after 2 weeks word was starting to circulate about some of TFA's problems (despite media sources still clinging to not revealing spoilers)... the rumor about Luke getting confirmation, the heavy rehash of ANH, Rey's use of the Force looking more like Disney magic. Prequel fans began to stall their support. And a minority of OT fans began to curb their box office enthusiasm. After a month... a month in a half, media sources were starting to reveal spoilers and the total identity of TFA was revealed even more widespread. This tamed box office attendance overall. The Disney princess fans were now fully aware of Rey's warrior princess characterization. They were continuing to make repeat viewings and turn out in droves. Most prequel fans were giving sparse support. And the OT fans were divided with a minority drawing away from repeated viewings, but a majority slowing their repeat viewing enthusiasm but still turning out. This explains why TFA made half it's box office in the first 2 and a half weeks. It was actually on pace to blow by 'Titanic' at the box office to the tune of embarrassing it. It was on pace to surpass 'Avatar'. And you know what? If TFA had been the movie that they marketed it to be - it would have. So yeah, Disney screwed up the best hand in cinematic history! Man...I wish they'd made the movie in that trailer... Don't ask for the impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:26:37 GMT
I can appreciate they didn't make her a useless tangalong sidekick to Luke, which is apparently what OT fans wanted since the idea of Luke being replaced was repugnant to them. No, because a lot of those same fans that were angry about Luke's role were very satisfied with Han's role in TFA. It wasn't the fact that Luke wasn't the protagonist, it was the horrible characterization.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 17:32:07 GMT
I can appreciate they didn't make her a useless tangalong sidekick to Luke, which is apparently what OT fans wanted since the idea of Luke being replaced was repugnant to them. No, because a lot of those same fans that were angry about Luke's role were very satisfied with Han's role in TFA. Eh, no they weren't. Hans' whole thing in TFA was derided, especially his death scene. If anything that was the last straw where the audience gave up on ever accepting the new leads, because they resented them for the OT characters being retired/killed off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:35:07 GMT
It's quite telling that the one user here (FormersamIam) that is vehemently defending the ST is also someone that clearly dislikes the OT.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 17:36:24 GMT
It's quite telling that the one user here (FormersamIam) that is vehemently defending the ST is also someone that clearly dislikes the OT. I got no problem pointing out its flaws and not treating it like the end-all-be-all, if that's what you mean.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:36:52 GMT
No, because a lot of those same fans that were angry about Luke's role were very satisfied with Han's role in TFA. Eh, no they weren't. Hans' whole thing in TFA was derided, especially his death scene. If anything that was the last straw where the audience gave up on ever accepting the new leads, because they resented them for the OT characters being retired/killed off. Well, I was very satisfied with Han's role/characterization in TFA but despised Luke's characterization in TLJ. What say you to that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:37:42 GMT
It's quite telling that the one user here (FormersamIam) that is vehemently defending the ST is also someone that clearly dislikes the OT. I got no problem pointing out its flaws and not treating it like the end-all-be-all, if that's what you mean. The way you endlessly bash it- it sounds like you don't even like the OT
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 17:47:46 GMT
Eh, no they weren't. Hans' whole thing in TFA was derided, especially his death scene. If anything that was the last straw where the audience gave up on ever accepting the new leads, because they resented them for the OT characters being retired/killed off. Well, I was very satisfied with Han's role/characterization in TFA but despised Luke's characterization in TLJ. What say you to that? Do you resent the ST characters for existing in the first place and the ST for having there be any new conflicts at all?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:50:06 GMT
Well, I was very satisfied with Han's role/characterization in TFA but despised Luke's characterization in TLJ. What say you to that? Do you resent the ST characters for existing in the first place and the ST for having there be any new conflicts at all? That's a ridiculous question and you (I hope, anyway) know it. But quite the opposite actually. The conflict isn't new at all! I resent the ST for simply reskinning the Empire and Rebels in order to basically make the exact same trilogy.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 17:56:28 GMT
I got no problem pointing out its flaws and not treating it like the end-all-be-all, if that's what you mean. The way you endlessly bash it- it sounds like you don't even like the OT I'm giving ST haters a taste of their own medicine.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 17:58:07 GMT
Do you resent the ST characters for existing in the first place and the ST for having there be any new conflicts at all? That's a ridiculous question and you (I hope, anyway) know it. But quite the opposite actually. The conflict isn't new at all! I resent the ST for simply reskinning the Empire and Rebels in order to basically make the exact same trilogy. And if they had there be an Anti-Republic Faction or Invaders from another Galaxy, they'd be accused of just re-skinning the Separatists and Republic from the Prequels.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 10, 2018 18:20:48 GMT
The way you endlessly bash it- it sounds like you don't even like the OT I'm giving ST haters a taste of their own medicine. No, people who dislike the ST have well thought out arguments, and specific issues. The medicine you're issuing is just the same argument over and over that we 'resent' the movie because there were new characters AT ALL. Which, again, I suggest you go back to Wax's post and my response...I was EXCITED based on the trailed. I knew it was going to be about more than just the OT cast. But reply and tell me I'm wrong, and tell me that out of an unlimited number of options they only had 2. TELL ME.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 18:31:36 GMT
I was EXCITED based on the trailed. I knew it was going to be about more than just the OT cast. But were you okay with the idea of the ST leads being the ACTUAL leads with the OT characters killed off/removed? If you're talking about new conflicts, they did only have a limited amount of options.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 10, 2018 18:39:59 GMT
I was EXCITED based on the trailed. I knew it was going to be about more than just the OT cast. But were you okay with the idea of the ST leads being the ACTUAL leads with the OT characters killed off/removed? If you're talking about new conflicts, they did only have a limited amount of options. -That's a two part question. Yes, I'm ok with them sharing as leads, or at least having new characters share the limelight and become the primary protagonists over the course of the ST. I see no reason for them to immediately be killed off...maybe one or two would die over the course of the conflict the trilogy centers around, but a torch passing does not require killing them off. -no, they had a limitless number of options. Instead they chose to just make up a big enemy and explain their reason for being in external media(new books and shit). This is because they wrote a shit story around plot points rather than writing an organic story around characters and motivations.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 19:28:22 GMT
But were you okay with the idea of the ST leads being the ACTUAL leads with the OT characters killed off/removed? If you're talking about new conflicts, they did only have a limited amount of options. -That's a two part question. Yes, I'm ok with them sharing as leads, or at least having new characters share the limelight and become the primary protagonists over the course of the ST. I see no reason for them to immediately be killed off...maybe one or two would die over the course of the conflict the trilogy centers around, but a torch passing does not require killing them off. -no, they had a limitless number of options. Instead they chose to just make up a big enemy and explain their reason for being in external media(new books and shit). This is because they wrote a shit story around plot points rather than writing an organic story around characters and motivations. - Han's death was unavoidable, Ford was coming back unless they killed him off. And Abrams said that everytime they wrote a script with Luke as an active character involved in the plot it totally neutralized any point to Rey and Finn so that's why they needed him out of the way for TFA.
Once they realized their first film would be "The film that killed Han Solo" the writers decided "f*** it, the audience is going to blame the new characters for this and resent them anyways. Just make them the leads and damn the torpedoes because they'll never be beloved characters now."
- They did not. If they had an Imperial Remnant they'd still get derided as Empire Knock-Offs, if they used invaders from another Galaxy or some other Anti-Republic group formed from people who didn't want a New Republic they'd just get derided as the Prequels all over again.
They mostly certainly did NOT have a limitless number of options, especially after all the damage the Prequels did.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 10, 2018 19:57:50 GMT
-That's a two part question. Yes, I'm ok with them sharing as leads, or at least having new characters share the limelight and become the primary protagonists over the course of the ST. I see no reason for them to immediately be killed off...maybe one or two would die over the course of the conflict the trilogy centers around, but a torch passing does not require killing them off. -no, they had a limitless number of options. Instead they chose to just make up a big enemy and explain their reason for being in external media(new books and shit). This is because they wrote a shit story around plot points rather than writing an organic story around characters and motivations. - Han's death was unavoidable, Ford was coming back unless they killed him off. And Abrams said that everytime they wrote a script with Luke as an active character involved in the plot it totally neutralized any point to Rey and Finn so that's why they needed him out of the way for TFA.
Once they realized their first film would be "The film that killed Han Solo" the writers decided "f*** it, the audience is going to blame the new characters for this and resent them anyways. Just make them the leads and damn the torpedoes because they'll never be beloved characters now."
- They did not. If they had an Imperial Remnant they'd still get derided as Empire Knock-Offs, if they used invaders from another Galaxy or some other Anti-Republic group formed from people who didn't want a New Republic they'd just get derided as the Prequels all over again.
They mostly certainly did NOT have a limitless number of options, especially after all the damage the Prequels did.
-No, that was Michael Arndt. Disney didn't like the direction he was going and wasn't interested in giving him time to draft different versions. -Limitless possibilities of how the galaxy unfolds in the aftermath of the Empire. Is there a power struggle? Does the Galaxy Unite? Does the remnant disperse only to secretly regroup and amass power? Even more I haven't mentioned! Just takes some imagination, and time. Had Disney waited instead of pushing at the expense of story/creativity, maybe we'd have an outcome we'd all enjoy. Now it's just for the shills.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 20:10:07 GMT
- Han's death was unavoidable, Ford was coming back unless they killed him off. And Abrams said that everytime they wrote a script with Luke as an active character involved in the plot it totally neutralized any point to Rey and Finn so that's why they needed him out of the way for TFA.
Once they realized their first film would be "The film that killed Han Solo" the writers decided "f*** it, the audience is going to blame the new characters for this and resent them anyways. Just make them the leads and damn the torpedoes because they'll never be beloved characters now."
- They did not. If they had an Imperial Remnant they'd still get derided as Empire Knock-Offs, if they used invaders from another Galaxy or some other Anti-Republic group formed from people who didn't want a New Republic they'd just get derided as the Prequels all over again.
They mostly certainly did NOT have a limitless number of options, especially after all the damage the Prequels did.
-No, that was Michael Arndt. Disney didn't like the direction he was going and wasn't interested in giving him time to draft different versions. -Limitless possibilities of how the galaxy unfolds in the aftermath of the Empire. Is there a power struggle? Does the Galaxy Unite? Does the remnant disperse only to secretly regroup and amass power? Even more I haven't mentioned! Just takes some imagination, and time. Had Disney waited instead of pushing at the expense of story/creativity, maybe we'd have an outcome we'd all enjoy. Now it's just for the shills. Same difference, the guys in charge saw every script treatment that kept Luke around and just couldn't think of a way to have a plot with him in it that didn't render Rey and Finn absolutely superfluous. That's politics, and politics and Star Wars don't mix. Besides, TFA is 30 years later. 30 years later things would've stabilized. And a film that openly up with Luke's bumbling sidekick Jedi Trainee Rey going on a mission where she meets Republic Trooper Trainee Finn at the behest of All-Powerful Grandmaster Luke and Chancellor Leia would've bombed like crazy.
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