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Post by ryboto on Apr 10, 2018 15:23:09 GMT
This guy posits that the trailer for the blu ray is quite telling that Disney acknowledges there's problems...maybe he's on to something?
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Apr 10, 2018 17:42:28 GMT
It's the ninth highest-grossing movie of all time, and it debuted at the top of the DVD and Blu Ray sales charts.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 10, 2018 18:16:08 GMT
It's the ninth highest-grossing movie of all time, and it debuted at the top of the DVD and Blu Ray sales charts. I mean, sure, but he makes good points...nothing of Rose or the Cantina...hardly any Holdo... but whatevers, right?
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Post by audiosane on Apr 11, 2018 1:50:56 GMT
This guy posits that the trailer for the blu ray is quite telling that Disney acknowledges there's problems...maybe he's on to something? Hot shit. Michael Loftus. I first heard about him from Tru TV's World's Dumbest. Used to watch that show all the time about 5-8 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 14:45:25 GMT
The brand is going to be in trouble once it can no longer highlight OT characters in its trailers.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 11, 2018 16:11:11 GMT
The brand is going to be in trouble once it can no longer highlight OT characters in its trailers. I'm not so sure about that. Rogue One focused primarily on brand new characters, and most fans enjoyed them. I think as long as these movies are entertaining and "Star Warsy" enough (funny dialogue, action sequences, the Force, etc.), they'll mostly do just fine. Disney is obsessed with highlighting OT characters, not because they need to, but because they love playing it safe.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 16:12:45 GMT
The brand is going to be in trouble once it can no longer highlight OT characters in its trailers. It already is. They just can't see it yet because they're so full of themselves about how infallible they think the Disneyfication of SW is. Outside of Disney diehards, SW is trending down. They need the Han Solo movie to not just have mediocre results. They need it to "knock it out of the ballpark". It needs to be a surprise hit somewhat like 'Black Panther'. Otherwise (outside of Disney fans) SW will be culturally trending down entering into episode IX. And they've got nothing left but Reylo! And I guarantee you that's not going to carry SW cultural significance anywhere near what it's had under the rest of the SW episodic films. Reylo alone can't carry this franchise.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 16:18:18 GMT
The brand is going to be in trouble once it can no longer highlight OT characters in its trailers. I'm not so sure about that. Rogue One focused primarily on brand new characters, and most fans enjoyed them. I think as long as these movies are entertaining and "Star Warsy" enough (funny dialogue, action sequences, the Force, etc.), they'll mostly do just fine. Disney is obsessed with highlighting OT characters, not because they need to, but because they love playing it safe. Rogue One did not follow the Disneyfication mold that the sequel trilogy has. That's why it had slightly more success as an anthology film than Disney expected. I'm not sold that they are going to do that with other Disney SW movies. They're definitely not going to do things that way with episode IX. We will have to wait and see how they handle "Solo".
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 11, 2018 16:21:58 GMT
It's the ninth highest-grossing movie of all time, and it debuted at the top of the DVD and Blu Ray sales charts. Oh, right, that automatically makes it "good", just like the high grossing, fast selling Transformers films.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 11, 2018 16:26:49 GMT
I'm not so sure about that. Rogue One focused primarily on brand new characters, and most fans enjoyed them. I think as long as these movies are entertaining and "Star Warsy" enough (funny dialogue, action sequences, the Force, etc.), they'll mostly do just fine. Disney is obsessed with highlighting OT characters, not because they need to, but because they love playing it safe. Rogue One did not follow the Disneyfication mold that the sequel trilogy has. That's why it had slightly more success as an anthology film than Disney expected. I'm not sold that they are going to do that with other Disney SW movies. They're definitely not going to do things that way with episode IX. We will have to wait and see how they handle "Solo". i hear ya. If Disney relying too much on OT characters bites them in the ass, they'll eventually make some changes. Sooner or later, we'll move away from that stuff. We've already seen that new SW characters can succeed.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 11, 2018 16:33:32 GMT
I'm not so sure about that. Rogue One focused primarily on brand new characters, and most fans enjoyed them. I think as long as these movies are entertaining and "Star Warsy" enough (funny dialogue, action sequences, the Force, etc.), they'll mostly do just fine. Disney is obsessed with highlighting OT characters, not because they need to, but because they love playing it safe. Rogue One did not follow the Disneyfication mold that the sequel trilogy has. That's why it had slightly more success as an anthology film than Disney expected. I'm not sold that they are going to do that with other Disney SW movies. They're definitely not going to do things that way with episode IX. We will have to wait and see how they handle "Solo". Also, RO was set in the "Classic Era", which, apparently, everyone still wants to see. It's the reason that all of the "Classic" spinoffs will always do well.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 16:40:33 GMT
Rogue One did not follow the Disneyfication mold that the sequel trilogy has. That's why it had slightly more success as an anthology film than Disney expected. I'm not sold that they are going to do that with other Disney SW movies. They're definitely not going to do things that way with episode IX. We will have to wait and see how they handle "Solo". Also, RO was set in the "Classic Era", which, apparently, everyone still wants to see. It's the reason that all of the "Classic" spinoffs will always do well. Good point!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 16:40:39 GMT
The brand is going to be in trouble once it can no longer highlight OT characters in its trailers. I'm not so sure about that. Rogue One focused primarily on brand new characters, and most fans enjoyed them. I think as long as these movies are entertaining and "Star Warsy" enough (funny dialogue, action sequences, the Force, etc.), they'll mostly do just fine. Disney is obsessed with highlighting OT characters, not because they need to, but because they love playing it safe. Rogue One followed up on a nostalgia-heavy TFA. I have no doubt it rode TFA's coattails to box office success. Not to mention, the movie took place in between the PT and OT, which is, in itself, nostalgic for fans. Let's see what happens as the saga progresses and they have to move fans to unfamiliar territory after the giant leg sweep that was TLJ.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 16:41:12 GMT
The brand is going to be in trouble once it can no longer highlight OT characters in its trailers. It already is. They just can't see it yet because they're so full of themselves about how infallible they think the Disneyfication of SW is. Outside of Disney diehards, SW is trending down. They need the Han Solo movie to not just have mediocre results. They need it to "knock it out of the ballpark". It needs to be a surprise hit somewhat like 'Black Panther'. Otherwise (outside of Disney fans) SW will be culturally trending down entering into episode IX. And they've got nothing left but Reylo! And I guarantee you that's not going to carry SW cultural significance anywhere near what it's had under the rest of the SW episodic films. Reylo alone can't carry this franchise. Agree.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 16:42:57 GMT
Rogue One did not follow the Disneyfication mold that the sequel trilogy has. That's why it had slightly more success as an anthology film than Disney expected. I'm not sold that they are going to do that with other Disney SW movies. They're definitely not going to do things that way with episode IX. We will have to wait and see how they handle "Solo". i hear ya. If Disney relying too much on OT characters bites them in the ass, they'll eventually make some changes. Sooner or later, we'll move away from that stuff. We've already seen that new SW characters can succeed. But what we haven't seen is new characters succeeding on their own. A big part of why fans were interested in Rey and Finn is because they were hoping they were related to familiar characters.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 11, 2018 16:44:36 GMT
It's the ninth highest-grossing movie of all time, and it debuted at the top of the DVD and Blu Ray sales charts. Just because something makes a lot of money, doesn't mean it's necessarily good. People still buy McDonald's despite it being horrible for their bodies. Both (McDonald's/The Last Jedi) are superficially pleasing with no actual substance, in my opinion.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 11, 2018 17:44:28 GMT
I'm not so sure about that. Rogue One focused primarily on brand new characters, and most fans enjoyed them. I think as long as these movies are entertaining and "Star Warsy" enough (funny dialogue, action sequences, the Force, etc.), they'll mostly do just fine. Disney is obsessed with highlighting OT characters, not because they need to, but because they love playing it safe. Rogue One did not follow the Disneyfication mold that the sequel trilogy has. That's why it had slightly more success as an anthology film than Disney expected. I'm not sold that they are going to do that with other Disney SW movies. They're definitely not going to do things that way with episode IX. We will have to wait and see how they handle "Solo". Hmm. Wait a second. Just to be clear, what exactly do you mean when you say "Disneyfication mold"?
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Post by audiosane on Apr 11, 2018 17:56:55 GMT
I'm not so sure about that. Rogue One focused primarily on brand new characters, and most fans enjoyed them. I think as long as these movies are entertaining and "Star Warsy" enough (funny dialogue, action sequences, the Force, etc.), they'll mostly do just fine. Disney is obsessed with highlighting OT characters, not because they need to, but because they love playing it safe. 1. Rogue One followed up on a nostalgia-heavy TFA. I have no doubt it rode TFA's coattails to box office success. Not to mention, the movie took place in between the PT and OT, which is, in itself, nostalgic for fans. 2. Let's see what happens as the saga progresses and they have to move fans to unfamiliar territory after the giant leg sweep that was TLJ. 1. I wasn't referring to Rogue One's box office success but rather fan reaction. For the most part, they enjoyed the new characters. 2. But that's the thing. Will they really ever move into unfamiliar territory? Let's say we get a trilogy that takes place 5,000 years before the OT. Does anyone really expect the overall look, feel and conflict to be significantly different? OT characters and time period or not, I think most of these Star Wars films will have a basic formula that will make them entertaining to general audiences, like Marvel.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 11, 2018 18:03:15 GMT
i hear ya. If Disney relying too much on OT characters bites them in the ass, they'll eventually make some changes. Sooner or later, we'll move away from that stuff. We've already seen that new SW characters can succeed. But what we haven't seen is new characters succeeding on their own. A big part of why fans were interested in Rey and Finn is because they were hoping they were related to familiar characters. Hmm. I think that was big, but fans had greater interest in Rey and Finn themselves than who they were related to, especially after watching TFA. If Disney gave us brand new characters completed unrelated to the PT, OT and ST, I think they would succeed with fans as long as we liked them.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 18:18:24 GMT
Rogue One did not follow the Disneyfication mold that the sequel trilogy has. That's why it had slightly more success as an anthology film than Disney expected. I'm not sold that they are going to do that with other Disney SW movies. They're definitely not going to do things that way with episode IX. We will have to wait and see how they handle "Solo". Hmm. Wait a second. Just to be clear, what exactly do you mean when you say "Disneyfication mold"? Using Disney character archetypes for their characters... (the warrior princess, the male stooge sidekick, the fairy godmother/sage female mentor, the heel villain, the vain male counterpart, etc). Most of these character archetypes are in every Disney animated film with a female protagonist. The story follows the outline of their Disney warrior princess template: see Moana, see Frozen, see Mulan, see The Little Mermaid, see Brave, etc, etc
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