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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 20:00:51 GMT
I'm saying you'd rather she be like that, AND still find a way to complain about it.
DESPITE having no problems when Rogue One did it!
But you just said we complain about Rose because she's not a ninja heroine. So we want her to be a ninja heroine to complain about her being what we wanted her to be so we wouldn't complain about her! Precisely, it's a perfect representation of how unpleasable you are.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 20:06:40 GMT
But you just said we complain about Rose because she's not a ninja heroine. So we want her to be a ninja heroine to complain about her being what we wanted her to be so we wouldn't complain about her! Precisely, it's a perfect representation of how unpleasable you are. No it isn't. It's a lie you can't prove. And in fact I've already proven it's a lie a number of times. No OT fan thinks like that. The only person thinking like is you... nutcase ST fan ...and you're just projecting it on OT fans.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 20:12:23 GMT
Precisely, it's a perfect representation of how unpleasable you are. No OT fan thinks like that. Please, that's the biggest lie of all. The sheer venom the ST and everything associated with it gets says otherwise.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 20:22:57 GMT
No OT fan thinks like that. Please, that's the biggest lie of all. The sheer venom the ST and everything associated with it gets says otherwise. You have done nothing but tell lies about OT fans since you came on this message board. And you haven't proven a lick of it. Take your defamatory accusations and psychotic ignorance somewhere else.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 11, 2018 20:57:39 GMT
No OT fan thinks like that. Please, that's the biggest lie of all. The sheer venom the ST and everything associated with it gets says otherwise. It gets venom because the story is garbage. On the surface, the characters are fine.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 21:24:46 GMT
Please, that's the biggest lie of all. The sheer venom the ST and everything associated with it gets says otherwise. It gets venom because the story is garbage. Because it dared to not just be about the OT cast living happily ever after. The only time OT fans were fine with Rey and Finn were when they knew absolutely nothing about them and could make up whatever ideas they wanted. And even they were considered SJW just by being a girl and a black guy.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 11, 2018 22:49:41 GMT
It gets venom because the story is garbage. Because it dared to not just be about the OT cast living happily ever after. The only time OT fans were fine with Rey and Finn were when they knew absolutely nothing about them and could make up whatever ideas they wanted. And even they were considered SJW just by being a girl and a black guy.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 0:58:29 GMT
Because it dared to not just be about the OT cast living happily ever after. The only time OT fans were fine with Rey and Finn were when they knew absolutely nothing about them and could make up whatever ideas they wanted. And even they were considered SJW just by being a girl and a black guy. So, fleeing from reality are we? Go read the EU, every story arc ends up "And everything was A-Okay", the OT characters are ALWAYS the leads and they never dare kill off Luke or Han or Leia. Hell, they killed Leia and Hans' son just to spite people who thought the new characters could ever be leads!
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 12, 2018 4:38:16 GMT
So, fleeing from reality are we? Go read the EU, every story arc ends up "And everything was A-Okay", the OT characters are ALWAYS the leads and they never dare kill off Luke or Han or Leia. Hell, they killed Leia and Hans' son just to spite people who thought the new characters could ever be leads! The reality is that you're an idiot who has brainwashed yourself to believing your own lies. You don't have to kill off characters to have continuation. You just have to expand into other characters beyond them and pass the torch. That's some idiot rule you follow from the Jar Jar Abrams school of storytelling. And I already gave examples of continuation that shot down your argument. I guess you want to bend over and take that butt kicking again!
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 12, 2018 11:16:00 GMT
So, fleeing from reality are we? Go read the EU, every story arc ends up "And everything was A-Okay", the OT characters are ALWAYS the leads and they never dare kill off Luke or Han or Leia. Hell, they killed Leia and Hans' son just to spite people who thought the new characters could ever be leads! Not entirely true. There's a story where Chewbacca dies and Han goes into a depressing state. That's not a happy ending.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 12, 2018 11:25:05 GMT
I don't hate her. I just didn't like how they handled her, especially with her interaction with Finn.
Hold is the only new character that I absolutely fucking despise, but that's for another topic one day.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 12, 2018 11:26:56 GMT
Ninja warrior woman?!? That sounds like you're saying that they were hoping for her to be an action heroine! Didn't you say that OT fans don't want any of the ST characters to do anything but be useless sidekicks? But now you're saying that they wanted Rose to be a ninja action heroine. Oh what a tangled web we weave... LOL Well, far be it from me to point out further OT hypocrisy.
Then again, you were all fine with the "Blind Asian Martial Artist" cliché in Rogue One. If Rose had been like THAT you'd just be further ripping into her.
Fans mostly didn't mind him because he was played by Donnie Yen. Donnie Yen is awesome!
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 11:42:51 GMT
So, fleeing from reality are we? Go read the EU, every story arc ends up "And everything was A-Okay", the OT characters are ALWAYS the leads and they never dare kill off Luke or Han or Leia. Hell, they killed Leia and Hans' son just to spite people who thought the new characters could ever be leads! You don't have to kill off characters to have continuation. You just have to expand into other characters beyond them and pass the torch. When it comes to the OT cast, you do. Because if they WERE still around in any capacity, and you want your heroes to be galactic heroes on par with the OT cast, all you get from the audience is "Why are they wasting time developing these new characters when the old leads are still around? We don't need new characters!" Even ANH killed off Obi-Wan so Luke could take over.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 12, 2018 12:09:07 GMT
You don't have to kill off characters to have continuation. You just have to expand into other characters beyond them and pass the torch. When it comes to the OT cast, you do. Because if they WERE still around in any capacity, and you want your heroes to be galactic heroes on par with the OT cast, all you get from the audience is "Why are they wasting time developing these new characters when the old leads are still around? We don't need new characters!" Even ANH killed off Obi-Wan so Luke could take over.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 12:11:38 GMT
So, fleeing from reality are we? Go read the EU, every story arc ends up "And everything was A-Okay", the OT characters are ALWAYS the leads and they never dare kill off Luke or Han or Leia. Hell, they killed Leia and Hans' son just to spite people who thought the new characters could ever be leads! Not entirely true. There's a story where Chewbacca dies and Han goes into a depressing state. That's not a happy ending. Probably the ONLY time that happens. The EU never would've had the balls to kill off Han and Luke and had the series off to new characters.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 12, 2018 12:15:09 GMT
Not entirely true. There's a story where Chewbacca dies and Han goes into a depressing state. That's not a happy ending. Probably the ONLY time that happens. The EU never would've had the balls to kill off Han and Luke and had the series off to new characters. We'll never know since Disney bought Star Wars. But given the fact that Chewie died tells me that they would have no problem with it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 12:34:52 GMT
Probably the ONLY time that happens. The EU never would've had the balls to kill off Han and Luke and had the series off to new characters. We'll never know since Disney bought Star Wars. But given the fact that Chewie died tells me that they would have no problem with it. They only bought Star Wars towards the end of 2012, the novels had been coming out for like 20 years by then. They had years to shake things up and did nothing.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 12, 2018 12:41:21 GMT
We'll never know since Disney bought Star Wars. But given the fact that Chewie died tells me that they would have no problem with it. They only bought Star Wars towards the end of 2012, the novels had been coming out for like 20 years by then. They had years to shake things up and did nothing. They told stories where the big 3 are older. If anything I'd say that they were probably building towards it. Like I said Disney bought Star Wars and stopped any new stories set in the old Canon from being made.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 13:40:16 GMT
They only bought Star Wars towards the end of 2012, the novels had been coming out for like 20 years by then. They had years to shake things up and did nothing. They told stories where the big 3 are older. If anything I'd say that they were probably building towards it. 20 years man, that's all the build up time you need.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 12, 2018 14:58:20 GMT
They told stories where the big 3 are older. If anything I'd say that they were probably building towards it. 20 years man, that's all the build up time you need. The books are not Lucas Film. The original EU was loosely policed as far as canon is concerned. Disney controls it all now.
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