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Post by damngumby on Apr 11, 2018 13:31:45 GMT
As some of you know, a member of this forum was caught participating in a scheme to plant false information in Wikipedia, just so he could try and score a point in an argument. LINK
This is the height of dishonesty and a real detriment to any sort of civil or constructive conversations on this forum. It is beyond simple trolling. What should be done about this? Doing nothing means that deceit and fraud is condoned here. Is this what we want? |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 11, 2018 14:11:53 GMT
You don't actually know that he did anything. You can't ban someone for something you can't prove they did.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 11, 2018 14:12:13 GMT
The evidence is circumstantial, you have no case.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 14:37:19 GMT
You're damn right he should be ban who else but DC-Fraud would go though the trouble to plant false information on a Wikipedia page just to try and prove a point.
Who the fuck does he think he's fooling around here, We all know he did it and not just once but twice. If there's anytime to finally to get rid of the asshole then now is the time, give me a goddamn break already.
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Post by onethreetwo on Apr 11, 2018 14:42:19 GMT
If you're not cheating you're not trying. I like DC.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 11, 2018 15:50:04 GMT
Wait, what's happening?!?
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Post by scabab on Apr 11, 2018 16:10:45 GMT
It's not really a ban worthy offence as again it's not actually against the Terms of Service to change a Wikipedia page and then say "Hey look, see this is proof!".
However if true, and I don't know if it is or not because I haven't paid attention, it would be embarrassing and to a lot of people it would just discredit anything he would have to say in the future.
But of course that is only if he actually did it in the first place.
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Post by damngumby on Apr 11, 2018 16:44:12 GMT
It's not really a ban worthy offence as again it's not actually against the Terms of Service to change a Wikipedia page and then say "Hey look, see this is proof!". The mods do have the right to terminate/discipline a member based solely on their own discretion ... since it's impossible to foresee every conceivable offence that some low-life may commit. If you think that this sort of behavior is acceptable, then do nothing. If it is unacceptable, then you do have the authority to nip it in the bud. It all depends on what sort of forum you want, and where you draw the line. Embarrassment is not much of a deterrent to someone who has repeatedly demonstrated that they have no shame. The evidence is pretty overwhelming. The alternative would be that someone independently added false information to Wikipedia at the exact moment when DC-Fan needed it to support a claim that he dreamed up on his own and that is found no where else on the internet. What are the odds!  |
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Post by Daisy on Apr 11, 2018 17:34:51 GMT
DCFan edited that wiki using the name weirdraptor, a deleted user from these forums, who is an MCU fan and enemy of dcfan. Wiki user weirdraptor hasn't edited anything else on wikipedia. He mysteriously came into existence solely to help dcfan support an argument here  It's funny that DCFan is now like 'Well the wiki once said it so therefore it's true' anyone can edit wikipedia, and there is a staff that fixes what they call vandalism. It's not really a ban worthy offence as again it's not actually against the Terms of Service to change a Wikipedia page and then say "Hey look, see this is proof!". However if true, and I don't know if it is or not because I haven't paid attention, it would be embarrassing and to a lot of people it would just discredit anything he would have to say in the future. But of course that is only if he actually did it in the first place. It's not ban worthy to troll these forums with stupid arguments and vandalize wikipedia to support those arguments? ha...discredit what he says in the future...he's discredited himself a million times already. |
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Post by cricket on Apr 11, 2018 17:45:20 GMT
DCFan edited that wiki using the name weirdraptor, a deleted user from these forums, who is an MCU fan and enemy of dcfan. Wiki user weirdraptor hasn't edited anything else on wikipedia. He mysteriously came into existence solely to help dcfan support an argument here It's funny that DCFan is now like 'Well the wiki once said it so therefore it's true' anyone can edit wikipedia, and there is a staff that fixes what they call vandalism. And also claim it was a known MCU supporter who wrote it on Wiki, so if we discredit that, we also discredit this particular MCU supporter and thus all MCU supporters are also discredited for everything comicbook related. That's how his twisted and malefic logic works... |
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Post by Daisy on Apr 11, 2018 17:50:34 GMT
DCFan edited that wiki using the name weirdraptor, a deleted user from these forums, who is an MCU fan and enemy of dcfan. Wiki user weirdraptor hasn't edited anything else on wikipedia. He mysteriously came into existence solely to help dcfan support an argument here It's funny that DCFan is now like 'Well the wiki once said it so therefore it's true' anyone can edit wikipedia, and there is a staff that fixes what they call vandalism. And also claim it was a known MCU supporter who wrote it on Wiki, so if we discredit that, we also discredit this particular MCU supporter and thus all MCU supporters are also discredited for everything comicbook related. That's how his twisted and malefic logic works... Yeah...it's just a coincidence that an opponent of his, an MCU fan that was banned from here months ago, edited a wiki page exactly when and how he needed. Why do my bygone enemies never bail me out of jams like that? |
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Post by scabab on Apr 11, 2018 17:51:58 GMT
It wouldn't be acceptable and it'd be a low thing to do but what? Is he supposed to be banned for it? For weeks? More? On a long list of things that are ban worthy offences like posting pornography, threatening people, making racist claims etc is editing a Wikipedia page to try and fool someone on here really in the same boat? It probably was DC Fan as it's too coincidental not to be but is anyone distressed? offended? shamed? Isn't pointing it out publicly like this punishment enough and would make him think twice about doing such a thing again? Yeah...it's just a coincidence that an opponent of his, an MCU fan that was banned from here months ago You're referring to Weirdraptor? He was never banned, he self deleted and went and made a forum of his own. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 11, 2018 18:13:30 GMT
You don't actually know that he did anything. You can't ban someone for something you can't prove they did. Are MCU fans too dumb to check the History page on that site? A simple check of the History page shows proves that I never made any edits to that site. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 11, 2018 18:15:47 GMT
The evidence is circumstantial, you have no case. The evidence isn't circumstantial. The evidence is clear and conclusive. A simple check of the History page on that site proves conclusively that I never made any edits to that site. Do you people not know how to check the History page on that site? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 11, 2018 18:17:29 GMT
You're damn right he should be ban who else but DC-Fraud would go though the trouble to plant false information on a Wikipedia page just to try and prove a point. Who the fuck does he think he's fooling around here, We all know he did it and not just once but twice. If there's anytime to finally to get rid of the asshole then now is the time, give me a goddamn break already. 1st, I didn't make any changes to that site and a simple check of the History page confirms that. 2nd, the information isn't false. The information is true and accurate. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 11, 2018 18:25:35 GMT
It's not really a ban worthy offence as again it's not actually against the Terms of Service to change a Wikipedia page and then say "Hey look, see this is proof!". However if true, and I don't know if it is or not because I haven't paid attention, it would be embarrassing and to a lot of people it would just discredit anything he would have to say in the future. But of course that is only if he actually did it in the first place. 1st, I didn't change anything and a simple check of the History page on that site confirms that. This is just another case of MCU fans trying to start shit, like they did when I started a thread on the DCEU board with a link to an article about Wonder Woman being nominated for Best Theatrical Motion Picture and didn't say anything negative about MCU and then MCU fans here started attacking me on that thread. Notice that the change to the page that MCU fans here are complaining about was for a DC movie and had nothing to do with MCU (just like my thread about Wonder Woman being nominated for Best Theatrical Motion Picture was about a DC movie and had nothing to do with MCU), yet MCU fans are whining and complaining about it.2nd, what the hell does content on another website that isn't part of this forum have anything to do with the Terms of Service on this forum? Even if that other website contains content or material that is prohibited on this forum (which it doesn't), it was an MCU fan who first posted the link to that other website. So what the hell are MCU fans whining and complaining about? |
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Post by Daisy on Apr 11, 2018 18:29:16 GMT
You don't actually know that he did anything. You can't ban someone for something you can't prove they did. Are MCU fans too dumb to check the History page on that site? A simple check of the History page shows proves that I never made any edits to that site. Yeah... no. That's not proof. It suggests - quite strongly - that you made a wiki account with the name weirdraptor and edited the page to help your argument. Now if that edit was not by weirdraptor but instead by a user not named for anyone from this forum and they had edited many different wikipedia articles going back several months, you'd have plausible deniability. But now you just look like an ass that used the name of an old enemy from here. Do you honestly think you're fooling anyone? Do you? I can make a wiki account with the name dcfan and edit stuff saying Marvel is better than DC. Will that be proof to you? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 11, 2018 18:35:22 GMT
It wouldn't be acceptable and it'd be a low thing to do but what? Is he supposed to be banned for it? For weeks? More? On a long list of things that are ban worthy offences like posting pornography, threatening people, making racist claims etc is editing a Wikipedia page to try and fool someone on here really in the same boat? It probably was DC Fan as it's too coincidental not to be but is anyone distressed? offended? shamed? Isn't pointing it out publicly like this punishment enough and would make him think twice about doing such a thing again? Yeah...it's just a coincidence that an opponent of his, an MCU fan that was banned from here months ago You're referring to Weirdraptor? He was never banned, he self deleted and went and made a forum of his own. 1st, it wasn't me. A simple check of the History page on that site confirms that I didn't make any changes on that site. 2nd, so it was weirdraptor who made the change? OK, that makes sense now. Before weirdraptor tapped out and quit this forum, he had been calling for me to be banned for no reason at all. Since he couldn't get me banned, it's likely that he's resorting to this con scheme to try to discredit me. So now we know who the culprit is who made the change. |
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Post by Daisy on Apr 11, 2018 18:39:51 GMT
It wouldn't be acceptable and it'd be a low thing to do but what? Is he supposed to be banned for it? For weeks? More? On a long list of things that are ban worthy offences like posting pornography, threatening people, making racist claims etc is editing a Wikipedia page to try and fool someone on here really in the same boat? It probably was DC Fan as it's too coincidental not to be but is anyone distressed? offended? shamed? Isn't pointing it out publicly like this punishment enough and would make him think twice about doing such a thing again? You're referring to Weirdraptor? He was never banned, he self deleted and went and made a forum of his own. 1st, it wasn't me. A simple check of the History page on that site confirms that I didn't make any changes on that site. 2nd, so it was weirdraptor who made the change? OK, that makes sense now. Before weirdraptor tapped out and quit this forum, he had been calling for me to be banned for no reason at all. Since he couldn't get me banned, it's likely that he's resorting to this con scheme to try to discredit me. So now we know who the culprit is who made the change. Weirdraptor is trying to discredit you? By editing the wiki you needed to change, in exactly the way you needed to change, exactly when you need it to change? Then you just luckily checked it and saw it had the information that would support your claim so you could link it here? Wow weirdraptor is a genius! |
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 11, 2018 18:42:07 GMT
I’m kinda worried for the state of the human race when (1) one actually does something like this to prove a point (which is most likely) and (2) other people actually react by making a big show out of it and cannot stop blasting the guy consistently, even making polls about it. See? As usual I can offend both “sides”!  Seriously, this stuff is really ridiculous. You are spending all of this effort and time to have elaborate debates and character-assassinations about superhero movies. I know that fandom, like ideology, tends to dull the senses, but please do let that sink in for a minute. Also consider that even the religion and politics boards aren’t this bad. As usual, I don’t give a damn who started it—and, we have proved by my own poll here, neither do a majority of posters here. Yet this kind of thing still came. Says a lot for the state mankind is in at the moment, screaming via Internet boards about superhero flicks. I’m only writing in to defend scabab, who has had superhuman, nigh-Jobian patience in supervising these boards. I do not envy him his task, but I thank him, as always, for making this a decent place for the folks (few though we may be) who enjoy superhero flicks—of any and all franchises!—but don’t go overboard. Running to obsession about minimal things seems our decadent wont. Anyway, scabab’s argument is exactly correct, and let me go one step further: I think that DC-Fan’s [probable] action is ludicrous but not malicious. Sorry, but he believes (erroneously, I think, but that’s irrelevant) that x indicates a shared universe. He edited the Wikipedia page to reflect his belief. That’s disingenuous and not nice, but it’s not the wickedest thing known to man, or even warranting of a ban. If he did do it (which, I know, he will deny if he responds to this), then he’s lying about it now, which is something bad—but it also doesn’t warrant banning, as most people here have probably written something untrue on the Internet. Now that’s enough to anger nearly everyone, but I think it all happens to be true. I had to get me two-cents out there, but I’m not replying to any responses to this post. EDIT: It would be very amusing (and quite clever, in a Chestertonian way) if we found out at the end of this that DC-Fan and Weirdraptor were the same person. |
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