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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 15:06:32 GMT
I want to combine some thoughts I had on faith and development and intersubjective morality. I would suggest that the cause of fervor for an authoritarian, "perfect" God resides in early abuse from figures, such as priests and elders, that we are taught to obey and emulate. In these cases, the results are both comic... ...and horrifying:
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Post by koskiewicz on Apr 11, 2018 15:49:53 GMT
faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. -Ambrose Bierce
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 19:40:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 15:48:37 GMT
In my research on trauma and religion, I found this study by Lawrence G. Calhoun, Arnie Cann, Richard G. Tedeschi, & Jamie McMillan, and I thought it would interest the board. I do, however, want to add this friendly reminder:
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Post by thefleetsin on Apr 13, 2018 18:39:00 GMT
pedaling flowers brings far more joy into the world than any masochistic belief system ever could.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 21:13:07 GMT
pedaling flowers brings far more joy into the world than any masochistic belief system ever could. Needing to pedal anything seems to be the problem - the system that demands we do so has proven unhealthy for flowers and other living things. I'm looking forward to when resources are used by and shared as needed among those who need them. To bring about such a system requires a great deal of scientific knowledge and administrative know-how as well as the motivation for people with such knowledge and skills that only a shared belief system can provide. I think that such a system would eliminate issues that make one masochistic or sadistic. It greatly depends on perspective...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 21:27:25 GMT
In my research on trauma and religion, I found this study by Lawrence G. Calhoun, Arnie Cann, Richard G. Tedeschi, & Jamie McMillan, and I thought it would interest the board. I do, however, want to add this friendly reminder: Something else to remember... ... and, of course, fostering assumptions about the prosperous brings together some interesting bedfellows .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 21:14:32 GMT
I mentioned earlier that a fairer, more sustainable world requires considerable scientific knowledge and administration. When I was a girl, there were some intense movies warning us of what would happen if we continued the path we were following. The powerful opening of one of them is on Youtube. Unfortunately, we seem to have rushed down this path ever more quickly since then. Fortunately, there are some who are offering ways to move us clear of it. Such news gives me hope that we can find a better way {Especially since, IIRC, things turn out even worse for the women and children than for men in these films, an outcome our current president and his party seem intent on bringing to pass. :’-}.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 14:45:57 GMT
I have to start this post with a confession. Of all the things I have revealed about myself, this is the most embarrassing. When I was a girl, one of my favorite shows was – can I say it? – Gilligan’s Island. Having a strong memory for lines from movies, songs, books and TV shows, I can recall much of what I heard in Sherwood Schwartz's program with horrifying accuracy. Drystyx’s mention of the program this month and recent talk of doubles perhaps helped summon these memories when people started writing about the law, laissez-faire, and feminism. Someone mentioned how inequality is “human nature.” The characters in the show unwaveringly hold their social status and stereotypical gender roles (except for rare - broadly comic - effect,) despite their apparent lack of sex, throughout the series. There is also no “law” there except for a brief attempt which – surprise, surprise – allowed Gilligan to spoil their chance of rescue. Otherwise, except when the Skipper uses his authority or the Professor his scientific knowledge, everyone defers to the millionaire Howells. In addition, IIRC, there were more episodes centering on this couple than on anyone except for the titular character. Above, I mention one of my blog entries, an entry that discusses how Lacan inverted “the commonplace about the liberating potential of the unconscious impulses which resist the ‘repression’ of the Authority to which we submit consciously: the Master is unconscious; he exerts his hold upon us in the unconscious.” I bring up how television in the middle of last century was a huge part of the United States’ unconscious, allowing its citizens to be cynical about its social mores while conforming to them. A couple episodes of the program under discussion may illustrate the process. In one, Mrs. (“Lovey”) Howell gets letters from a secret admirer. After some attempts to find out who it is, the islanders discover that it has been her husband. However, she takes offense when he lets out that he did it to make her feel special, and she throws him out of their hut. However, after dreaming that she is Cinderella and he Prince Charming, she realizes that she truly loves him. In another, an imposter who had surgery to steal Thurston Howell’s identity and was squandering his fortune fell off a yacht and managed to wash up on their very island. The pretender knocks his double over the head and changes clothes with him, taking his place on the chaise lounge. The real Thurston awakens (and we hear music expressing his woozy state.) As he stands, Gilligan’s “everyman” music plays, and the title character approaches him, asking how his clothes got all wet. Howell looks down on his gaudy new apparel and asks, disdainfully, “How did I get these clothes?” He comments that he hadn’t felt this way “since New Years’ Eve” as cheerful flute music invites us to laugh with the sound track. He encounters his doppelganger and, as comically frantic music plays, he runs toward his hut and shouts to his wife, the commotion also drawing the Skipper and Gilligan. He then tries to prove his own authenticity to his fellow castaways. Dismayed that his wife says she doesn’t know which one is her husband, he reminds her of a birthmark and lifts his sleeve to reveal it. Somehow, however, the imposter has an identical one. Thurston asks Lovey, “Don’t you recognize your own husband?” and she says she recognizes the clothes on his double. Howell then tells how he was knocked out and that the pretender changed clothes with him. At Mrs. Howell’s dismay, Gilligan suggests she keep them both, and she looks pleased. Thurston then asks the pretender three questions, to all of which the impostor provides answers that “commoners” would consider conceited to psychopathic, but which answers convince everyone present of his authenticity. After the last one – whether, if he had to choose, he would save his money or wife, a question to which he proudly answers, “My money, of course!” - Lovey embraces the pretender, crying, “Thurston, it is you!” These scenes well exemplify, for those of us to whom they were exposed, what Zizek calls the... I’ll end this post by linking a later blog entry which also fits with both the episodes I describe in terms of the three concepts named in my first paragraph. PS (9/27/20): Re-examining the later blog entry in light of thoughts on the modern unconscious and the law bought to mind the centrality of Descartes in these subjects, so I thought a picture of him here would be appropriate.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 18, 2018 15:24:27 GMT
I don’t know anyone wanting an authoritarian god but maybe there’s different versions of what that means
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jul 19, 2018 4:34:32 GMT
despite their apparent lack of sex Just because they don't show it doesn't mean it isn't happening. They never showed anyone going to the bathroom on Gilligan's Island either, but we know they must have been.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 1:15:00 GMT
Since I’ve linked a couple Babylon 5 clips in this thread already, I thought I’d continue here. In a post about favorite religious “movies” I described the series as a “spiritual epic.” Cody’s claim about the media promoting interracial relationships brought to mind my favorite couple from this show (pictured above.) One of them is Delenn, ambassador to the space station of the title. The ambassador decides that, to better understand humanity, she needs to undergo a metamorphosis, taking on many human characteristics. Over the course of the show, she and the captain, John Sheridan, fall in love. Both races go to war with another race called the Shadows. On several occasions, Sheridan receives dire warnings against going to the Shadows’ homeworld, Z'Ha'Dum. In the third season, he decides that he must take that risk. While there, he takes a tremendous “leap of faith,” jumping from a skyscraper to avoid capture. We next see him in a dark cavern. He soon encounters a being, Lorien, who introduces himself as “the first one.” Sheridan expresses his need to return to help his friends, and the following conversation ensues: Lorien: Your friends need what you can be when you are no longer afraid. When you know who you are and why you are and what you want. When you are no longer looking for reasons to live but can simply be. Sheridan: I can't. … I don't know how to do that. Lorien: Then I cannot help you. And you will be caught forever in between. You must let go. Surrender yourself to death. The death of flesh, the death of fear. Step into the abyss and let go. Sheridan: It's getting darker. Lorien: I know. You're close, friend. Very close. It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for? Sheridan: I can't see you anymore. Lorien: As it should be. Sheridan: What if I fall? How will I know if you'll catch me? Lorien: I caught you before. Sheridan: What if I die? Lorien: I cannot create life but I can breathe on the remaining embers. It may not work. But I can hope. Hope is all we have. Do you have anything worth living for? Sleep now. I will watch and catch you if you should fall. Sheridan, suddenly falling into a void, cries, “Delenn!” before the screen goes dark.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 12:58:24 GMT
I posted the foregoing as a response to someone else’s thread. Due to recent events reported on RFS, however, I thought I should keep it in one of my own (updating it for the last sentence): _ We know the high quality of people who are attracted to positions of leadership... We know that Ancient Rome was a particularly kind society... How can we doubt that such a society would morph into the glorious institutions of Catholicism... ...and now capitalism?
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