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Post by stargazer1682 on Apr 12, 2018 3:34:55 GMT
Not a lot of commentary on this episode; not good, not terrible, it's just a thing that happened...
I didn't care for the actress who played Null; there's just something about her performance I didn't care for. I also didn't think the resolution was all that great; I mean, Ralph slaps the cuffs on her and I get that it dampens her powers, but it also nullifies the effect she had on Barry? Before it just wore off, but she can also control it remotely? Seems like if she has to touch things to nullify their mass, she should have to touch them to turn it off; or let it wear off on its own.
But that story was neither here nor there; it just was. The B story with Gypsy's dad was just bad. No two ways about it. I mean, how could Breacher not realize the blast didn't come from him? Do they not have any physical sense of their powers? It'd be like a guy trying to fake someone else's orgasm.
And of course, what did Cisco think would happen if Breacher thought he had his offensive powers back and didn't? That sort of subterfuge gets people like them killed fast. Although more power to Breacher to be able to take that many antihistamines and not get knocked on your ass.
The one real saving grace of the episode was the end, with "Wells" entering RF's formerly secret hiding place and reactivating Gideon. Is it Harry, simply using his intellect, enhanced by his thinking cap, to work out thing Eobard had and or used? Or is this a return of Eobard and Harry is somewhere else?
I actually suspected the latter a few episodes back, during, "Enter Flashtime". The way he acted around Jesse seemed suspicious, and I thought maybe it would turn out that he was Eobard; perhaps having swapped out during the crossovers last fall. But then when he mind melded with Jesse, it seemed less plausible So I don't know what to think....
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Post by dazz on Apr 12, 2018 4:36:41 GMT
For me I really hated the shit Barry was giving to Ralph given how obvious it was why Ralph was behaving the way he was, and for a bunch of genius's not to be able to figure it was stupid, what with they aren't like the genius's on other shows who are emotionally & socially retarded.
Null as a whole was stupid given how considering her powers there's no way she would have gone unnoticed for almost 6 months, also like you said if she needs to be able to touch and see an object to effect it how then can she lift a car up as a security precaution? why didn't it float into the atmosphere given how quickly shit rises she touches, how also did she seem to know dampening her powers cause the thing to fall? why didn't Flash knock her the fuck out before he rescued the guy in the car? and why did Barry need Ralph to save him when he started falling? did Barry forget he can fly in a manner of speaking?
The Breacher thing was stupid, especially the idea he hadn't noticed his age because he doesn't look at himself in the mirror, like seriously he hasn't seen his own reflection for years are we meant to believe, that's just stupid, and yeah what the fuck did Cisco think Breacher would do if he thought he had his powers back, though I did enjoy seeing Danny Trejo in his retirement gear that was funny.
I'm wondering the same about Harry is he RF or just using his head, very nice hook for the next week or so, the Devoe story was dogshit this week though, it would have been more interesting had this not been the umpteenth time she'd found out he was drugging her, because that just makes it stupid he/she hasn't come up with an alternative of wiping her mind and drugging her knowing she'll eventually figure it out, also how fucking often does she figure it out? seems time consuming if this it the regular span of each wipe cycle, a few hours or a day before she figures it out and another day of her verifying and trying to warn herself, seems a pointless exercise.
Very skippable episode, though Jay & Silent Bob cameo did make me smile I will admit.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 13, 2018 4:33:05 GMT
why didn't it float into the atmosphere given how quickly shit rises she touches Because a car is heavier than a human so it would take more helium to lift the weight. did Barry forget he can fly in a manner of speaking? WTF are you talking about? Barry can't fly. He runs up the side of buildings and uses the momentum to propel himself into the air. But when his momentum runs out, he's going to fall. When he was lifted in the air, he had nothing to run on so he couldn't build up any momentum. It would be similar to if Superman threw Hulk into space. Since Hulk "flies" by leaping, if he has no solid object to leap off of in space to get back to Earth, then he'll just drift away from Earth in space forever and won't be able to get back to Earth on his own. |
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Post by stargazer1682 on Apr 13, 2018 5:07:14 GMT
why didn't it float into the atmosphere given how quickly shit rises she touches Because a car is heavier than a human so it would take more helium to lift the weight. did Barry forget he can fly in a manner of speaking? WTF are you talking about? Barry can't fly. He runs up the side of buildings and uses the momentum to propel himself into the air. But when his momentum runs out, he's going to fall. When he was lifted in the air, he had nothing to run on so he couldn't build up any momentum. It would be similar to if Superman threw Hulk into space. Since Hulk "flies" by leaping, if he has no solid object to leap off of in space to get back to Earth, then he'll just drift away from Earth in space forever and won't be able to get back to Earth on his own. 1st, Nulls powers reduce the density of an object. Caitlin said it was like Barry was filled with helium, not that he literally was; which is good, or else he'd probably be dead. 2nd, this: |
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 13, 2018 5:19:59 GMT
Because a car is heavier than a human so it would take more helium to lift the weight. WTF are you talking about? Barry can't fly. He runs up the side of buildings and uses the momentum to propel himself into the air. But when his momentum runs out, he's going to fall. When he was lifted in the air, he had nothing to run on so he couldn't build up any momentum. It would be similar to if Superman threw Hulk into space. Since Hulk "flies" by leaping, if he has no solid object to leap off of in space to get back to Earth, then he'll just drift away from Earth in space forever and won't be able to get back to Earth on his own. 1st, Nulls powers reduce the density of an object. Caitlin said it was like Barry was filled with helium, not that he literally was; which is good, or else he'd probably be dead. 2nd, this: Looks like he created a mini-tornado that lifted them into the air. That's not really flying. And I'm not sure if he could create a tornado when he was in the air like that since a tornado requires warm, dry air near the ground to interact with colder air above. |
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Post by dazz on Apr 13, 2018 5:35:07 GMT
why didn't it float into the atmosphere given how quickly shit rises she touches Because a car is heavier than a human so it would take more helium to lift the weight. did Barry forget he can fly in a manner of speaking? WTF are you talking about? Barry can't fly. He runs up the side of buildings and uses the momentum to propel himself into the air. But when his momentum runs out, he's going to fall. When he was lifted in the air, he had nothing to run on so he couldn't build up any momentum. It would be similar to if Superman threw Hulk into space. Since Hulk "flies" by leaping, if he has no solid object to leap off of in space to get back to Earth, then he'll just drift away from Earth in space forever and won't be able to get back to Earth on his own. 1: she doesn't fill them with helium you dolt, even if she did it wouldn't work because the amount of "helium" she would be filling something with would be insufficient to cause it to lift into the air unless she was trying to do so on already light objects, as is to fill Barry with enough helium as you say to lift him would cause him to puff up like Ralph did at the end of the episode, let alone the amount of helium needed to lift a fucking car.
2: Barry can use his arms the same way he uses them to put out fires to act as helicopter blades allowing him the ability to fly in a manner of speaking, why you connected flying with him running up walls is beyond me. |
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Post by dazz on Apr 13, 2018 5:40:47 GMT
1st, Nulls powers reduce the density of an object. Caitlin said it was like Barry was filled with helium, not that he literally was; which is good, or else he'd probably be dead. 2nd, this: Looks like he created a mini-tornado that lifted them into the air. That's not really flying. And I'm not sure if he could create a tornado when he was in the air like that since a tornado requires warm, dry air near the ground to interact with colder air above. No it's a classic Flash ability which he has used to save himself in other stories, they did it in JLU at one point, and yes it's not really flying hence me saying in a manner of speaking, it's like a lot of his powers they aren't specifically set powers he has but an ability he can master by utilising his actual power ie speed in the correct manner, such as phasing through objects, becoming invisible, he cant just do this at will like other characters such as martians but by vibrating his molecules at the right speed he can achieve this all the same. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 13, 2018 5:54:17 GMT
Because a car is heavier than a human so it would take more helium to lift the weight. WTF are you talking about? Barry can't fly. He runs up the side of buildings and uses the momentum to propel himself into the air. But when his momentum runs out, he's going to fall. When he was lifted in the air, he had nothing to run on so he couldn't build up any momentum. It would be similar to if Superman threw Hulk into space. Since Hulk "flies" by leaping, if he has no solid object to leap off of in space to get back to Earth, then he'll just drift away from Earth in space forever and won't be able to get back to Earth on his own. 2: Barry can use his arms the same way he uses them to put out fires to act as helicopter blades allowing him the ability to fly in a manner of speaking, why you connected flying with him running up walls is beyond me. 2. For helicopters to fly, the propeller blades have to rotate horizontally so the air above the blades are sucked below it, creating lower pressure above the blades and higher pressure below the blades, thus generating lift. Rotating the propeller blades vertically doesn't generate lift. When Barry was lifted in the air, he was in a horizontal position so his arms wouldn't be able to rotate horizontally, only vertically. So he wouldn't have been able to generate the necessary lift to stay in the air. |
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Post by dazz on Apr 13, 2018 6:50:01 GMT
2: Barry can use his arms the same way he uses them to put out fires to act as helicopter blades allowing him the ability to fly in a manner of speaking, why you connected flying with him running up walls is beyond me. 2. For helicopters to fly, the propeller blades have to rotate horizontally so the air above the blades are sucked below it, creating lower pressure above the blades and higher pressure below the blades, thus generating lift. Rotating the propeller blades vertically doesn't generate lift. When Barry was lifted in the air, he was in a horizontal position so his arms wouldn't be able to rotate horizontally, only vertically. So he wouldn't have been able to generate the necessary lift to stay in the air. I'm not arguing the science of it dude just saying this is a skill he has and has been shown to be able to utilise in such situations, u wanna pick nits take it up with the source material not me.
But as Barry has used the reverse of this to actually cushion peoples fall in the past shouldn't the reverse work, maybe not enough to fly as he has been shown in the past but to atleast decrease his velocity.
Which also begs the question would Ralph's blow up trick really be sufficient to cushion Barry's fall like that? I mean either shouldn't ralph become just an either big solid mass of rubbery material, softer than concrete sure but at that speed still deadly, or acted as it had when he got shot where in Barry would have still hit the floor and gone splat?
The 3rd part is more sarcasm than real speculation as again this is something Ralph can do in other source material so go with it.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 14, 2018 19:56:30 GMT
Never try to explain pop culture science with real world science.
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