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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 13:39:31 GMT
Because nerds wasted two years of their lives trying to decipher who this bland Sidious wannabe was, and when he got tossed aside like he deserved, ultimately proving to be nothing more than red-herring for the real and far more interesting main villain, butts got hurt. That, and Star Wars fans have absolutely no idea what they want. One minute they're crying because this trilogy is too similar to the OT, and then when this movie takes a hard left turn by taking out the "big bad" in the middle chapter, it becomes full-on pacifier time. I seem to recall no one even liking this guy. Until he got chopped in half, that is. Oh, but where art thou intimidating villains? You know, like coughing robots, Japanese alien businessmen, and 80 year old Christopher Lees with their faces photoshopped onto stunt doubles. My pants soil in horror at the mere thought of those bad boys. I would like to first point out that you contradict your argument by saying about Snoke "no one even liking this guy". But you criticize people "for wasting 2 years of their life" having an interest in his identity and unknown backstory. But I'll pretend that didn't just happen. It was the very creator of the Snoke character that created that interest from fans. JJ Abrams decided to try to make Snoke have more appeal than a monotone, giant hologram. So he encouraged onscreen desire to know Snoke's backstory with dialogue that only someone very close to the events of the entire canon of the previous episodic films would know. He didn't stop there. He continued to stoke this desire further by implying that he may have previously had face-to-face encounters with Luke. He teased at how he "discovered" Kylo. And Abrams teased at a secret organization that Snoke created and put Kylo in charge of. Abrams even fostered a desire for backstory on Snoke by giving him an ominous, unexplained head wound. And now you're blaming the audience by calling them "nerds who created their own misguided interests in a red herring". Interesting. That's a little like sending out invitations to a party you're having; and then blaming the guests when they show up to discover you never had any intentions of having a party. I wish I could say this writing travesty ends there, but it doesn't. While Abrams and Johnson were busy writing onscreen stuff that shows they got their writing credentials from writing Disney channel episodes; they hired real writers to create fragments of backstory in things like the visual dictionaries and character encyclopedias. But none of it ever played out or connects to what was onscreen. Gold star post!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 13:48:17 GMT
You can basically profile what kind of Star Wars fan and critic people like moviebuffbrad is. Their entire taste, their entire thought process on Star Wars comes from watching the Plinkett prequel reviews and religiously watching the Disney channel for the first 16 years of their life. Sadly, they think those two things makes them an expert on the subject. RedLetterMedia hated The Last Jedi, so if I'm some blind Plinkett zealot, I'm not really doing a good job of it. I also wrote an entire article defending certain aspects of the prequels, including retorts against points specifically from the Plinkett reviews. www.dorkly.com/post/82966/5-complaints-about-the-star-wars-prequels-that-should-retireLike I said, you don't need to like something to analyze and be knowledgeable about it. There's no pot and kettle here. I was being sarcastic when I said you must like the ST to reinforce my previous point that one must like Snoke in order to waste precious time deciphering his identity. As for my implied empty-headedness for not engaging in this particular mystery box: as I think I've made apparent, I did not care for the character. And clearly my disinterest in his backstory paid off because he didn't have one. As for personal attacks, me and Tristian take the piss out of each other. Let's not forget he called me a Marvel loving turd sniffer. Beyond that, who have I personally attacked? On the contrary, you and wax are the ones calling me unintelligent and profiling my character (once again proving, since I get the inkling you do not like me, that you don't have to like someone to start making up BS backstories for them. Disney channel until I was 16? Que?) Well, let's see. You basically called anyone who was a fan of the Snoke character "butt hurt nerds who foolishly chased a red herring, and are constantly engaged in pacifier time". I just figured that since you were going to be slighting & profiling why should you be the one having all of the fun.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 26, 2018 1:57:55 GMT
RedLetterMedia hated The Last Jedi, so if I'm some blind Plinkett zealot, I'm not really doing a good job of it. I also wrote an entire article defending certain aspects of the prequels, including retorts against points specifically from the Plinkett reviews. www.dorkly.com/post/82966/5-complaints-about-the-star-wars-prequels-that-should-retireLike I said, you don't need to like something to analyze and be knowledgeable about it. There's no pot and kettle here. I was being sarcastic when I said you must like the ST to reinforce my previous point that one must like Snoke in order to waste precious time deciphering his identity. As for my implied empty-headedness for not engaging in this particular mystery box: as I think I've made apparent, I did not care for the character. And clearly my disinterest in his backstory paid off because he didn't have one. As for personal attacks, me and Tristian take the piss out of each other. Let's not forget he called me a Marvel loving turd sniffer. Beyond that, who have I personally attacked? On the contrary, you and wax are the ones calling me unintelligent and profiling my character (once again proving, since I get the inkling you do not like me, that you don't have to like someone to start making up BS backstories for them. Disney channel until I was 16? Que?) Well, let's see. You basically called anyone who was a fan of the Snoke character "butt hurt nerds who foolishly chased a red herring, and are constantly engaged in pacifier time". I just figured that since you were going to be slighting & profiling why should you be the one having all of the fun. Trust me, I'm never the only one having fun here.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 27, 2018 22:17:03 GMT
Who was he? Why was he so powerful? How did he come to power? How did he meet and convert Kylo? Was he a Sith? How come the rest of the world seemingly didn't know about him till TFA?
All these question will never be answered. In short, they wasted a perfectly interesting character.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 30, 2018 20:26:52 GMT
I'd say it all just came down to the fact that TLJ did not pay off what was set up in TFA.
A similar problem happened with The Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2018 21:25:37 GMT
I'd say it all just came down to the fact that TLJ did not pay off what was set up in TFA. A similar problem happened with The Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises. Nah, it was just a storytelling choice with which you disagreed. Doesn't make it inherently incorrect just because it neither conformed to your exceedingly mediocre expectations nor exceeded them.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 30, 2018 21:43:43 GMT
I'd say it all just came down to the fact that TLJ did not pay off what was set up in TFA. A similar problem happened with The Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises. Nah, it was just a storytelling choice with which you disagreed. Doesn't make it inherently incorrect just because it neither conformed to your exceedingly mediocre expectations nor exceeded them. That's not what that means.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2018 21:45:41 GMT
Nah, it was just a storytelling choice with which you disagreed. Doesn't make it inherently incorrect just because it neither conformed to your exceedingly mediocre expectations nor exceeded them. That's not what that means. Says the troll who knows I'm right. I'll accept your concession.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 30, 2018 21:46:46 GMT
That's not what that means. Says the troll who knows I'm right. I'll accept your concession. That's not what concession means either.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2018 21:47:56 GMT
Says the troll who knows I'm right. I'll accept your concession. That's not what concession means either. Says the infuriated incel with no response to my points. I win.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 30, 2018 21:48:44 GMT
That's not what concession means either. Says the infuriated incel with no response to my points. I win. None of that means what you think it does.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2018 21:50:42 GMT
Says the infuriated incel with no response to my points. I win. None of that means what you think it does. Sure it does, mark.
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