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Post by summers8 on Apr 18, 2018 0:04:38 GMT
So I figured with the current slate of comic films. the first mcu xmen will be sandwiched among other comic book movies. chances are the Spielberg's dc movie, reeves batman, or the scorsese's joker. How will the MCU X-MEN GOTG inspired cgi driven comedy survive if it was pitched against any of these movies?
Speilberg for one, as a fan, I know he is going to make an anti mcu movie. he once said the genre will die out like westerns thanks to the marvel formula movies. though he did not mention mcu by name, it did not take a rocket scientist to know what comic films he was talking about. and now that he is gone to DC, things are more clear on his views.
I personally think MCU X-MEN is way too doomed now. not only will it have to be pitched along some DC movies where we know the artistry will matter but xmen is now in the star wars category of franchise legacy, meaning before Disney bought them, they already had great movies under their belt. this is why disney's star wars continues to struggle. they pale in comparison to the oringal trilogy and the prequels are even deemed better. Because of the disney formula, mcu xmen will also pale in comparison to Logan, DOFP , X2, X-Men, Deadpool to name a few. so mcu xmen is already greatly disadvantaged, add that to the mcu forumla. it's a disaster like batman and robin.
We have also seen how homecoming continues to struggle compared to the original spiderman trilogy. Spiderman also qualifies as a franchise legacy series just like star wars and x-men. We can still pray for the impossible, hope that the deal between Fox and Disney fails.
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Post by Daisy on Apr 18, 2018 0:12:27 GMT
I believe in Kevin Feige.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 18, 2018 0:21:14 GMT
Maybe? Maybe not?
People seem to be worried about the comic book genre being in danger, but I believe it's just people being paranoid.
I see it going the way of the Horror genre.
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Post by summers8 on Apr 18, 2018 0:23:19 GMT
I believe in Kevin Feige. I don't and I call art as I see it. Feige does not value artistry. Feige's mcu movies are terrible compared to the best of the xmen movies. he made the mcu the marvel comedy universe heck, even the young actor that play Cyclops thinks mcu is nonsense. feiege will make xmen into gotg cgi comedy to please his disney masters. it might be better to just put xmen on hbo. |
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Post by Daisy on Apr 18, 2018 0:28:21 GMT
I believe in Kevin Feige. I don't and I call art as I see it. Feige does not value artistry. Feige's mcu movies are terrible compared to the best of the xmen movies. he made the mcu the marvel comedy universe heck, even the young actor that play Cyclops thinks mcu is nonsense. feiege will make xmen into gotg cgi comedy to please his disney masters. it might be better to just put xmen on hbo. My opinions on the MCU movies are pretty much in line with their enormous commercial and critical success. Oh, but the 21 year old Tye Sheridan says they're 'nonsense' ... |
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Post by scabab on Apr 18, 2018 0:36:22 GMT
How could we know? We'll see at the time. They've done well so far I'm sure they'll do a fine job.
The X-men series as we know it does kinda seem like it's on its way out now especially after Logan killed off the last two of the main two original characters.
I think it's about time for a new perspective, new colourful costumes and the Savage Land.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 18, 2018 0:47:29 GMT
Oh no, time to reboot.
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Post by summers8 on Apr 18, 2018 0:47:53 GMT
How could we know? We'll see at the time. They've done well so far I'm sure they'll do a fine job. The X-men series as we know it does kinda seem like it's on its way out now especially after Logan killed off the last two of the main two original characters. I think it's about time for a new perspective, new colourful costumes and the Savage Land. A new perspective should not be the Disney MCU forumla. the forumla has already gotten old even on the mcu movies. Colourful costumes is not what defines x-men. Claremont said these himself that xmen is about story and themes not costumes. the Savage Land is not wakanda or asgard. which is what disney will turn it into. to keep things light hearted and innocent for kids. these 3 points is why the mcu xmen is likely going to be doomed. |
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Post by sostie on Apr 18, 2018 0:51:24 GMT
A/some X-men fans belief that MCU will ruin X-Men is hilarious. Based on nothing other than some odd perception that the franchise is the pinnacle of CBM movies that can be nothing but worse in another's (yet still Marvel's!) hands. There were some great X-Men films...but Jesus there were some real stinkers as well.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 18, 2018 0:55:16 GMT
I believe in Kevin Feige. heck, even the young actor that play Cyclops thinks mcu is nonsense. In what way exactly does that matter? |
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Post by Daisy on Apr 18, 2018 0:57:36 GMT
heck, even the young actor that play Cyclops thinks mcu is nonsense. In what way exactly does that matter? It was a shitty attempt to appeal to authority. |
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Post by sostie on Apr 18, 2018 0:59:32 GMT
heck, even the young actor that play Cyclops thinks mcu is nonsense. In what way exactly does that matter? But he must be a good judge of what is and isn't a great CBM movie....he was in X-Men: Apocalypse!!!! |
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Post by summers8 on Apr 18, 2018 1:02:18 GMT
A/some X-men fans belief that MCU will ruin X-Men is hilarious. Based on nothing other than some odd perception that the franchise is the pinnacle of CBM movies that can be nothing but worse in another's (yet still Marvel's!) hands. There were some great X-Men films...but Jesus there were some real stinkers as well. LOL. This is the usual. have you noticed how mcu fans dont really talk about xmen stories? so tell me. how will mcu make an inferno or second coming movie? after what they did to thor jokenock and gotg? MCU will ruin xmen once they make xmen cgi action childish comedy for the dumb masses. Disney already hates New Mutants and will likely stream the movie. why do they hate it? they already ruined the deadpool fx cartoon. they are trying to brain wash the public that it is only deadpool that may need r rating when Logan even has a bigger impact than deadpool. they are telling people comic films are for kids. when xmen tas in the 90s threw this theory out of the window and this was a Saturday morning cartoon. MCU will ruin xmen, it has already begun with new mutants and fx deadpool. this is fact. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 18, 2018 1:10:24 GMT
A/some X-men fans belief that MCU will ruin X-Men is hilarious. Based on nothing other than some odd perception that the franchise is the pinnacle of CBM movies that can be nothing but worse in another's (yet still Marvel's!) hands. There were some great X-Men films...but Jesus there were some real stinkers as well. LOL. This is the usual. have you noticed how mcu fans dont really talk about xmen stories? We just avoid the pretentious ones. Inferno and Second Coming both sucked. Unashamed. It's probably pretentious nonsense that will drga the genre down. Deadpool's a one trick pony anyways. Logan got an easy treatment because it was Jackmans' last time in the role, nothing more. The Fox cartoon wasn't very good. And the MCU is saying movies should be for everyone, and they're right. For the pretentious elitists, maybe. |
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Post by sostie on Apr 18, 2018 1:23:39 GMT
A/some X-men fans belief that MCU will ruin X-Men is hilarious. Based on nothing other than some odd perception that the franchise is the pinnacle of CBM movies that can be nothing but worse in another's (yet still Marvel's!) hands. There were some great X-Men films...but Jesus there were some real stinkers as well. LOL. This is the usual. have you noticed how mcu fans dont really talk about xmen stories? Well this MCU fan is also an X-Men fan....not talking about the stories means what exactly? Who says they will? And if they do, with their track record I'm confident they'll be better than Last Stand, Apocalypse or the first Wolverine (talking of which, for all X-Men fan(s) criticisms of how MCU might ruin X-Men, they seem to forget how their own franchise totally fucked up Deadpool initially) Wow...you are coming across as a bit of a self-important superior ass there....you don't like the films so millions of people must be dumb! Maybe it's shit. Have you seen it? Where have they told people that? Making films that appeal to all ages is not telling anyone that. Still not provided any fact...only speculation. Your "fact" is based on how a film you haven't seen might be released, and a cartoon that was cancelled before it was made...by Marvel Television...not part of the MCU (and before you say "but it's owned by Disney...well so is Marvel Entertainment which produced the X-Men films) |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 18, 2018 1:26:24 GMT
LOL. This is the usual. have you noticed how mcu fans dont really talk about xmen stories? Well this MCU fan is also an X-Men fan....not talking about the stories means what exactly? Who says they will? And if they do, with their track record I'm confident they'll be better than Last Stand, Apocalypse or the first Wolverine (talking of which, for all X-Men fan(s) criticisms of how MCU might ruin X-Men, they seem to forget how their own franchise totally fucked up Deadpool initially) Wow...you are coming across as a bit of a self-important superior ass there....you don't like the films so millions of people must be dumb! Maybe it's shit. Have you seen it? Where have they told people that? Making films that appeal to all ages is not telling anyone that. Still not provided any fact...only speculation. Your "fact" is based on how a film you haven't seen might be released, and a cartoon that was cancelled before it was made...by Marvel Television...not part of the MCU (and before you say "but it's owned by Disney...well so is Marvel Entertainment which produced the X-Men films) I've dealt with him on other forums, he's a throwback who hates genuine comic book elements in movies and wants it all "grounded" because he's actually ashamed of the source material. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 18, 2018 1:28:13 GMT
Well this MCU fan is also an X-Men fan....not talking about the stories means what exactly? Who says they will? And if they do, with their track record I'm confident they'll be better than Last Stand, Apocalypse or the first Wolverine (talking of which, for all X-Men fan(s) criticisms of how MCU might ruin X-Men, they seem to forget how their own franchise totally fucked up Deadpool initially) Wow...you are coming across as a bit of a self-important superior ass there....you don't like the films so millions of people must be dumb! Maybe it's shit. Have you seen it? Where have they told people that? Making films that appeal to all ages is not telling anyone that. Still not provided any fact...only speculation. Your "fact" is based on how a film you haven't seen might be released, and a cartoon that was cancelled before it was made...by Marvel Television...not part of the MCU (and before you say "but it's owned by Disney...well so is Marvel Entertainment which produced the X-Men films) I've dealt with him on other forums, he's a throwback who hates genuine comic book elements in movies and wants it all "grounded" because he's actually ashamed of the source material. But the X-Men films stopped being grounded years ago. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 18, 2018 1:28:58 GMT
I've dealt with him on other forums, he's a throwback who hates genuine comic book elements in movies and wants it all "grounded" because he's actually ashamed of the source material. But the X-Men films stopped being grounded years ago. No, they haven't. If they abandoned the grounded stuff Apocalypse would've been much better. They even say Dark Phoenix is being grounded. |
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Post by scabab on Apr 18, 2018 1:43:20 GMT
A new perspective should not be the Disney MCU forumla. the forumla has already gotten old even on the mcu movies. Colourful costumes is not what defines x-men. Claremont said these himself that xmen is about story and themes not costumes. the Savage Land is not wakanda or asgard. which is what disney will turn it into. to keep things light hearted and innocent for kids. these 3 points is why the mcu xmen is likely going to be doomed. They haven't even announced that X-men is joining the MCU, nobody has any idea what the formula would even look like. Wakanda and Asgard were visually impressive, more so than any other location in any X-men movie up to yet so it'd be good to see that kind of detail done with Savage Land or other locations. The Marvel movies aren't that light hearted. They're more light hearted than the competition but not to an extent it ruins them. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 18, 2018 1:57:24 GMT
A/some X-men fans belief that MCU will ruin X-Men is hilarious. Based on nothing other than some odd perception that the franchise is the pinnacle of CBM movies that can be nothing but worse in another's (yet still Marvel's!) hands. There were some great X-Men films...but Jesus there were some real stinkers as well. All of the X-Men properties have better reception than Iron Fist and Inhumans. And Origins is only the only property that got significantly negative reaction, but was still better than those two. |
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