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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 23, 2018 12:57:32 GMT
I am actually rewatching season one. I am not sure why. There are way better shows out there, but I find myself watching episode after episode. It is a really fun show. You can tell that the lead is not a very good actor, but the action and story are great and the show is loads of fun. Why does it suck so bad now? I mean, seriously? They could have kept the gritty feel and the good action. I feel that too many people learned Oliver's secret and too many people became superheroes. I just remember that I had high hopes for this show.
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Post by dazz on Apr 23, 2018 13:38:43 GMT
Berlanti took his attention off of the show to build his "empire" of shows and left a fool without any real sense in charge, which resulted in appealing to the vocal minority and believing twitter mentions and ability to trend as important to a shows success as compelling or even coherent storylines, also knee jerk reactions to criticism's without understanding the actual issue behind them.
Basically Berlanti and his crew had a finite amount of good TV they can produce in a year and spread that out over 4-5 shows which resulted in no show being stand out anymore, which is why Flash S1 did so great as the focus was on that during S1 but since then no show gets the focus and they all suffer for it, imo atleast.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 23, 2018 18:08:53 GMT
I think that sums it up quite nicely. Thanks dazz!
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Post by dazz on Apr 26, 2018 13:21:32 GMT
I think that sums it up quite nicely. Thanks dazz!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 13:22:07 GMT
Berlanti took his attention off of the show to build his "empire" of shows and left a fool without any real sense in charge, which resulted in appealing to the vocal minority and believing twitter mentions and ability to trend as important to a shows success as compelling or even coherent storylines, also knee jerk reactions to criticism's without understanding the actual issue behind them. Basically Berlanti and his crew had a finite amount of good TV they can produce in a year and spread that out over 4-5 shows which resulted in no show being stand out anymore, which is why Flash S1 did so great as the focus was on that during S1 but since then no show gets the focus and they all suffer for it, imo atleast.  |
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Post by hardball on Apr 26, 2018 23:40:07 GMT
Berlanti took his attention off of the show to build his "empire" of shows and left a fool without any real sense in charge, which resulted in appealing to the vocal minority and believing twitter mentions and ability to trend as important to a shows success as compelling or even coherent storylines, also knee jerk reactions to criticism's without understanding the actual issue behind them. Basically Berlanti and his crew had a finite amount of good TV they can produce in a year and spread that out over 4-5 shows which resulted in no show being stand out anymore, which is why Flash S1 did so great as the focus was on that during S1 but since then no show gets the focus and they all suffer for it, imo atleast. Berlanti is set to produce Choose Your Own Adventure, a feature film for Fox. He just directed Love, Simon. He's also a co-producer of Flashpoint and is currently the director, screenwriter and co-producer of the Booster Gold film. He's also attached to Titans, Black Lightning, Riverdale and other shows. Johns is working on a Static Shock live action series. I don't know if he's still involved with the DCEU. |
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Post by hardball on Apr 27, 2018 0:46:22 GMT
Apparently the Flash movie is no longer going to be called Flashpoint, so we don't know what the story will be. While checking out what Berlanti's been up to, it made me realize just how big comic books and superheroes are right now.. All these CW shows, Krypton, Titans, and the Marvel TV shows. Plus the MCU is releasing three movies a year now. Add the stuf from the DCEU, fox and Sony. That's a lot. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 10:45:14 GMT
Felicity. Mericle. Marc. In order of increasing annoying-ness and cause for the decline in quality of the show ;-)
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 28, 2018 13:34:34 GMT
I think they got overconfident and lazy, costing by on past success and popularity. It also doesn't help that they're stretched thin over four shows.
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Post by BexxyJ on Apr 30, 2018 6:21:26 GMT
It was decent?  It has been so long I can't remember. Every time I think of Arrow I see Felicity Smoak. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 9:32:37 GMT
Im a few episodes behind but what did everyone think of that fight that actually escalated to a fistfight between Diggle and Ollie? I thought it was very convincing re the actors but as for the story, not so sure.
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Post by dazz on Apr 30, 2018 15:14:08 GMT
Physically that was good but yeah the story was idiotic, and once again when Oliver is being chastised needlessly for something he doesn't truly defend himself, I mean he had a argument ender in his back pocket the entire time all he needed to do was say his leadership didn't include trusting a man who worked for the enemy for years, his choices didn't lead to that man betraying them resulting in a member of the team being murdered in front of their very eyes, that was because of choices Diggle made, and it cost Laurel her life.
But you know speaking the truth whilst resulted in a fist fight anyway would have maybe actually worked sense into Dig's head, maybe even make him realise he cant just blame Oliver anytime something bad happens.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 12:02:06 GMT
Yeah. I think Dazz summed it up the best and then there were the showrunners listening to the crazy extreme Olicity fans that wanted to have Olicity as the main focus of the show and take all the action out of it and make it into a Romantic Comedy. I just mentioned Berlanti on another post and just out of curiosity what show is Berlanti working on the most now? I don't understand why they don't let Geoff Johns write some more episodes for the shows. He wrote some great episodes for 'Smallville' in the latter seasons and he might be able to turn a lot of them around. Berlanti is set to produce Choose Your Own Adventure, a feature film for Fox. He just directed Love, Simon. He's also a co-producer of Flashpoint and is currently the director, screenwriter and co-producer of the Booster Gold film. He's also attached to Titans, Black Lightning, Riverdale and other shows. Johns is working on a Static Shock live action series. I don't know if he's still involved with the DCEU.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 12:09:48 GMT
Apparently the Flash movie is no longer going to be called Flashpoint, so we don't know what the story will be. While checking out what Berlanti's been up to, it made me realize just how big comic books and superheroes are right now.. All these CW shows, Krypton, Titans, and the Marvel TV shows. Plus the MCU is releasing three movies a year now. Add the stuf from the DCEU, fox and Sony. That's a lot.  |
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Post by hardball on May 5, 2018 14:38:09 GMT
Berlanti is set to produce Choose Your Own Adventure, a feature film for Fox. He just directed Love, Simon. He's also a co-producer of Flashpoint and is currently the director, screenwriter and co-producer of the Booster Gold film. He's also attached to Titans, Black Lightning, Riverdale and other shows. Johns is working on a Static Shock live action series. I don't know if he's still involved with the DCEU. Booster Gold was rumored at one time to appear in LOT as Rip Hunter's father. I don't know why it didn't push thru. Amell also said he actually auditioned for the role of Booster Gold at one time. I don't think Booster has been in any TV shows apart from Smallville so that must have been the one. I can't imagine him playing Booster  |
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Post by hardball on May 5, 2018 14:52:14 GMT
Apparently the Flash movie is no longer going to be called Flashpoint, so we don't know what the story will be. While checking out what Berlanti's been up to, it made me realize just how big comic books and superheroes are right now.. All these CW shows, Krypton, Titans, and the Marvel TV shows. Plus the MCU is releasing three movies a year now. Add the stuf from the DCEU, fox and Sony. That's a lot. You're right, while the movie may no longer be titled flashpoint, it is rumored to still be based on that story. They have cast an actor to play young Barry so it might touch on his origins a bit. But since he had been introduced in JL, the director probably wants to focus on the main plot. As to why they're going with the flashpoint arc, it gives DC an opportunity to do a soft reboot of the DCEU. They can't just cancel it since WW was successful and other movies like Aquaman and Shazam are done filming. If they do a soft reboot, they can keep some elements of the old DCEU that worked - like WW - and improve on their weaknesses. How they'll do this I have no idea, but the flashpoint story offers WB/DC a chance to course correct without starting from scratch. |
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Post by stargazer1682 on May 5, 2018 15:50:00 GMT
One logistical problem I see with even a soft reboot is how poorly they've fleshed out the DC cinematic universe, and how few installments there have been to date. How much can they really say something has changed without making profound waves their what little continuity they have established? How would anyone notice?
For that matter, would WB be so bold as to do something in one film that has ramifications on other tangentially connected movies? I mean, sure, they "share" a universe, and they want what Marvel has, but they haven't really earned that. Even with the same actors in the same roles, it still looks like a cluster fuck. A hard or soft reboot through a Flashpoint type story only works for people paying close attention to the overarching story and have watched at least most if not all of the movies, and aren't just passive fans going to see a well hyped superhero movie. The latter are going to be confused if they go to see the next Man of Steel movie and suddenly see Pa Kent is still alive, or some other subtle change to continuity, as a result from Flashpoint. That is of course a necessary risk in creating a connected universe, which is why one needs to take more deliberate care developing the franchise and a growing a fan base larger than the portion of casual fans, who wants to see enough of all the movies, so they understand what's going on.
I would have made the comparison to how much more substantial the CW-DC Universe is, and the potential for a Flashpoint type event and the subsequent ramifications, but we know how that played out....
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 11:55:13 GMT
Thanks for letting me know. I have heard all about 'Love, Simon' but had no idea Greg Berlanti directed it and he is directing 'The Flash' movie too but I did hear he was set to direct 'Booster Gold' and Marc Guggenheim was involved in it too but after the amount of time it has been since I last saw an update about it much like the 'Project 13' TV show I don't think the movie is going forward anymore. There was a lot of talk about it for a while and sites were reporting it was going to be separate from the DCEU and some sites are still listing it as an upcoming DC movie but then it was recently said Booster Gold could appear in the 'Arrowverse' so I am not sure. I think they should have him appear in the 'Arrowverse' along with Blue Beetle. Booster Gold was rumored at one time to appear in LOT as Rip Hunter's father. I don't know why it didn't push thru. Amell also said he actually auditioned for the role of Booster Gold at one time. I don't think Booster has been in any TV shows apart from Smallville so that must have been the one. I can't imagine him playing Booster  |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 12:10:10 GMT
I heard that but some sites were still saying the story is going to be 'Flashpoint' and they are just going with a different name. I think it is an odd choice to use as the first 'Flash' movie though and I would have preferred if they had gone with more of an origins movie that introduced Barry as a character and had him face a few smaller villains and a big one at the end. I am still surprised they are going with Barry when they have him on the TV show and a better way to set the movies apart from the TV show in my opinion would have been to have gone with Bart Allen/Impulse or the first Flash, Jay Garrick since it would have given them a chance to do something different and Warner Bros seem to think their viewers are stupid and will get characters mixed up which is why they took so many characters away from the 'Arrowverse.' There are a lot of TV shows and they have said there will be more live action shows on the DC Streaming Service so there won't be a shortage of superhero shows anytime soon. You're right, while the movie may no longer be titled flashpoint, it is rumored to still be based on that story. They have cast an actor to play young Barry so it might touch on his origins a bit. But since he had been introduced in JL, the director probably wants to focus on the main plot. As to why they're going with the flashpoint arc, it gives DC an opportunity to do a soft reboot of the DCEU. They can't just cancel it since WW was successful and other movies like Aquaman and Shazam are done filming. If they do a soft reboot, they can keep some elements of the old DCEU that worked - like WW - and improve on their weaknesses. How they'll do this I have no idea, but the flashpoint story offers WB/DC a chance to course correct without starting from scratch.
I think 'The Batman' can be used to reboot the DCEU too if they make the Bat Universe movies separate 'cause apart from Batgirl, Nightwing, Birds of Prey, Gotham City Sirens and Harley Quinn they have got Teen Titans, Batwoman, Red Hood and the Outlaws, We Are Robin, Black Canary, the Huntress, Azrael, Catwoman, Deathstroke, Secret Six, Midnighter, GCPD, The Spectre, Batwing, The Signal, Black Orchid, Gotham Central, Gotham City Garage, Gotham Academy etc which are all series that are part of the Bat Universe that can be adapted and Green Arrow can easily be set in the Bat Universe too. I have said it before but if 'Aquaman' and 'Shazam' are poorly received but 'The Batman' is a big success I think we are going to see a big change going forward with the characters they make movies of. For the last two decades the Bat Universe has been more than 60 percent of DC but we have yet to see that on screen. If the others flop I think they should just put full focus on the Bat Universe but we will have to wait and see.  |
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Post by BexxyJ on May 7, 2018 14:14:47 GMT
Im a few episodes behind but what did everyone think of that fight that actually escalated to a fistfight between Diggle and Ollie? I thought it was very convincing re the actors but as for the story, not so sure. I think Diggle needs to get over himself and his ego and accept he is Oliver's sidekick. They don't need two Arrows. He has a place and Oliver should remind him where that is. This is Arrow not Diggle's epic adventure. |
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It has been so long I can't remember. Every time I think of Arrow I see Felicity Smoak. 