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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 5:53:49 GMT
I think Prometheus has to be right at the top of the list for me. It's a solid 8/10, and though there are some old fashioned cliches in there.. it is arguably a visual masterpiece which raised the production standard for today's science fiction movies.
No, I didn't think the way it filmed was completely right.. and I felt the characters/Prometheus crew were largely underwritten, but it's still a very acceptable entry into the Alien franchise.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 19, 2017 14:44:07 GMT
I think Prometheus has to be right at the top of the list for me. It's a solid 8/10, and though there are some old fashioned cliches in there.. it is arguably a visual masterpiece which raised the production standard for today's science fiction movies. No, I didn't think the way it filmed was completely right.. and I felt the characters/Prometheus crew were largely underwritten, but it's still a very acceptable entry into the Alien franchise. I re-watched Alien a few weeks after first seeing Prometheus & I was impressed that Scott pulled it off. I mean, the Nostromo crew stumbles over the ancient pilot & that's it. That's it? lols A bunch of alien goo impresses them more than an actual giant sized humanoid pilot on an entirely other world. I think once ppl appreciate that Prometheus isn't about the Xenomorphs so much as it's about that pilot & their backstory, it settles a lot better. Alas, the marketing team pushed it full throttle as Alien Alien Alien Alien, when it should've been promoted as that Creator pilot's backstory coinciding with the Alien universe. At least they got the movie title right, because it shies away from Alien proper yes?
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Post by TheSowIsMine on Feb 19, 2017 14:52:02 GMT
Prometheus Rob Zombie's Halloween movies
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Post by midnitevulture99 on Feb 19, 2017 17:28:50 GMT
Spider-Man 3: I can understand why people might not like the Sam Raimi SM movies in general, but it always baffled me how so many people could call the first two films masterpieces and then hate the third one for being "too silly." That's like hating "Toy Story 3" for being a lot like the first two movies in tone. It's just a bit hypocritical. Speaking of which, while I do agree about two criticisms (Venom in this movie sucks, and that dancing scene is atrocious), everything else just feels like either nitpicking or being way too harsh on the movie for not being close to its source material. As for the complaint about the movie being too cluttered, the only real casualty was Venom. Peter, Mary Jane, Harry, and Sandman all had fully fleshed out character arcs. I just feel like people took the butchering of one character and applied it to the whole movie. Ironically, "Iron Man 2" did a far worse job of balancing multiple characters and sub-plots, but got a free pass because people really love Robert Downey Jr, I guess (so do I, but that's not the point). But at least S3 was entertaining, whereas IM2 was outright boring.
Superman Returns: Honestly, I haven't seen this one in a while, so maybe my opinion could change, but this felt like a proper third part to the classic series, as opposed to the one that we originally got. The movie had good action for the time and a decent script with a lot of heart to it. I'm mot saying that it didn't have issues, but I genuinely enjoyed it. I just never got the hate for this one.
Prometheus: Yes, this movie had some seriously stupid bits of writing in it, but not nearly as much as people made out. And really, it wasn't those scenes that everyone lingered on complaining about. The real reason that people hate this movie is because it's not what they expected. People expected a prequel to "Alien" that answered a lot of questions. Instead we got a very loosely tied-in story that in many ways was a modern take on the atmosphere and suspense from the original Ridley Scott "Alien", but that only raised more questions of its own. Personally, I loved that about the movie. It's the only other film besides the original "Alien" that had that sense of mystery and tension to its atmosphere, but which also had me completely engrossed to learn about what was going on, and really prompted me to thoroughly analyze the movie on re-watches. Any film that can make me think to that extent is worth a lot more credit than what people give this movie, IMO.
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Post by mitchell1975 on Feb 19, 2017 17:55:18 GMT
Don't understand the hate these got
Days of Thunder The Counselor (2013) Revolver (2005) Cadillac Man (1990) The Lost World : Jurassic Park Rio Lobo The Man from U.N.C.L.E. They Came Together Space Station 76 Joe Versus the Volcano
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 17:55:21 GMT
I'm going to add "Showgirls" it wasn't a great film but I don't think it was much worse than your average film about strippers either. I can't help but think there was some agenda pushing the hate machine on this one.
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Post by itsthatguyme on Feb 19, 2017 20:29:51 GMT
Bucky Larson -it's stupid , but not as bad as people make it out to be. It's still 5x better than Grandma's Boy.
Planet of the Apes ( the Tim Burton one ) - it's not that bad. It's on par with any summer action / fantasy movie.
The Island of Dr Moreau- not sure why it's so disliked. It's a bizarre movie, yes. That's the fun of it though.
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Post by grindovermatter on Feb 19, 2017 20:43:41 GMT
8mm. Somehow it carries a 22% on Rotten Tomatoes, but I consider it a neo-noir masterpiece.
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Post by itsthatguyme on Feb 19, 2017 21:01:50 GMT
The Cable Guy - it's Actually my fav Jim Carrey movie. I don't know why it's so hated. So many funny moments in it. Yet ,Dumb and Dumber is considered a top 20 all time comedy ?
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Post by itsthatguyme on Feb 19, 2017 21:05:10 GMT
Rob Zombie films. I also thought Spring Breakers got too much hate. I made my dad watch it thinking he would hate it because it's not really his type of move, but he actually enjoyed it. Witches of Salem is truly a creepy movie. I also like the Devils Rejects and House of 1000 corpses.
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Post by itsthatguyme on Feb 19, 2017 21:06:31 GMT
Eyes Wide Shut Back To The Future II Die Hard II The Watchman Great list. All are good movies imo
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Post by itsthatguyme on Feb 19, 2017 21:07:39 GMT
I'm going to add "Showgirls" it wasn't a great film but I don't think it was much worse than your average film about strippers either. I can't help but think there was some agenda pushing the hate machine on this one. Yes. It wasn't that bad. I don't get the hate either.
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Post by itsthatguyme on Feb 19, 2017 21:09:02 GMT
Don't understand the hate these got Days of Thunder The Counselor (2013) Revolver (2005) Cadillac Man (1990) The Lost World : Jurassic Park Rio Lobo The Man from U.N.C.L.E. They Came Together Space Station 76 Joe Versus the Volcano I'm sorry, but the Counselor deserves to be on the hate list. It was so bad , that I forgot I saw it.
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Post by alexhurricanehiggins on Feb 19, 2017 23:47:34 GMT
Superman IV
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Post by rickdeckard45 on Feb 20, 2017 1:54:00 GMT
alien 3 - i can get why people don't like the awful, awful, awful theatrical cut. but the assembly cut is a very good film, or at least 9/10s of a film (unfinished special effects shots here and there). it's gloomy and depressing and completely different from the preceding films, but i still love it. it's very silly to me that the blompkammp film is going to pretend it never happened (resurrection, on the other hand, can go right into the trash bin with the AVP films)
back in like, 2008, the imdb board for alien 3 could get pretty heated, too - a few people who hated the film insisted that those who liked it were screwed-up sociopaths.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Feb 20, 2017 2:00:05 GMT
rickdeckard45 Blomkamp's movie is likely not going to happen with Scott moving forward on the prequels.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 20, 2017 2:08:39 GMT
Mentioned Before in This Thread
Superman Returns, definitely. I have no qualms about saying that I find it an excellent film.
I'm not a big Cable Guy fan, but it has its moments; it certainly didn't deserve the scorching criticisms it received.
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
Not Mentioned
Congo ('95) (one of my favorites)
The Lone Ranger (surprisingly good, in spite of manifold plot problems; the climax is utterly brilliant)
Pirates of the Caribbean 4
The Rocketeer ( another one of my favorites)
The Haunting ('99) (yes, it's not a good movie. But it has some good ideas, and the set design is incredible; it doesn't deserve the vitriol the critics gave it, as if it were used as a whipping-boy for the follies of modern film production)
Allied ('16) didn't receive terrible reviews, but they weren't so great either. I thought it was one of the greatest movies I've seen in recent years.
Dick Tracy
A Walk in the Woods (I cannot understand how critical the reviews were for this. Humor is so utterly subjective, I confess, but I found it hilarious)
Godfather III is not great, but I found it better than I expected.
Another Coppola film, Bram Stoker's Dracula, has such brilliant imagery that I couldn't help enjoying it just for the pomp, ceremony, color, and scale. Keanu Reeves's performance is bloody awful, as is acknowledged by just about everyone (including Coppola), but I thought Winona Ryder's performance was not as bad as the critics made it out to be. Moreover, the acting is less central to this movie than the sheer spectacle. As Roger Ebert wrote, "I enjoyed the movie simply for the way it looked and felt. ... The movie is an exercise in feverish excess, and for that if for little else, I enjoyed it."
Marnie is one of my favorite Hitchcocks, an opinion shared with just about no one.
Knowing me, I'll probably think of more to add to this list.
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Post by rickdeckard45 on Feb 20, 2017 2:23:07 GMT
rickdeckard45 Blomkamp's movie is likely not going to happen with Scott moving forward on the prequels. relieving. with how elysium and chappie went, looks like the franchise dodged a bullet there regardless of how one feels about alien 3...
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Post by bb15 on Feb 20, 2017 2:39:26 GMT
Mentioned before on this forum? Superman Returns, definitely. I have no qualms about saying that I find it an excellent film. I'm not a big Cable Guy fan, but it has its moments; it certainly didn't deserve the scorching criticisms it received. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow Not Mentioned Congo ('95) (one of my favorites) The Lone Ranger (surprisingly good, in spite of manifold plot problems; the climax is utterly brilliant) Pirates of the Caribbean 4The Rocketeer
( another one of my favorites) The Haunting ('99) (yes, it's not a good movie. But it has some good ideas, and the set design is incredible; it doesn't deserve the vitriol) Allied ('16) didn't receive terrible reviews, but they weren't so great either. I thought it was one of the greatest movies I've seen in recent years. Dick Tracy A Walk in the Woods (I cannot understand how critical the reviews were for this. Humor is so utterly subjective, I confess, but I found it hilarious) Godfather III is not great, but I found it better than I expected. Another Coppola film, Bram Stoker's Dracula, has such brilliant imagery that I couldn't help enjoying it just for the pomp, ceremony, color, and scale. Keanu Reeves's performance is bloody awful, as is acknowledged by just about everyone (including Coppola), but I thought Winona Ryder's performance was not as bad as the critics made it out to be. Moreover, the acting is less central to this movie than the sheer spectacle. As Roger Ebert wrote, "I enjoyed the movie simply for the way it looked and felt. ... The movie is an exercise in feverish excess, and for that if for little else, I enjoyed it." Marnie is one of my favorite Hitchcocks, an opinion shared with just about no one. Knowing me, I'll probably think of more to add to this list. There are some movies on your list which I've supported for years and I own on disk. "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow" Great tribute to the old adventure serials and 1940s Superman cartoons. Good cast. The CGI has a comic book / old movie feel. "Bram Stoker's Dracula" This is one of the best vampire movies. Fine attention to detail and a nice alternative to the Lugosi classic. Imo at least BB ;-)
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 20, 2017 4:58:48 GMT
Mentioned before on this forum? Superman Returns, definitely. I have no qualms about saying that I find it an excellent film. I'm not a big Cable Guy fan, but it has its moments; it certainly didn't deserve the scorching criticisms it received. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow Not Mentioned Congo ('95) (one of my favorites) The Lone Ranger (surprisingly good, in spite of manifold plot problems; the climax is utterly brilliant) Pirates of the Caribbean 4The Rocketeer
( another one of my favorites) The Haunting ('99) (yes, it's not a good movie. But it has some good ideas, and the set design is incredible; it doesn't deserve the vitriol) Allied ('16) didn't receive terrible reviews, but they weren't so great either. I thought it was one of the greatest movies I've seen in recent years. Dick Tracy A Walk in the Woods (I cannot understand how critical the reviews were for this. Humor is so utterly subjective, I confess, but I found it hilarious) Godfather III is not great, but I found it better than I expected. Another Coppola film, Bram Stoker's Dracula, has such brilliant imagery that I couldn't help enjoying it just for the pomp, ceremony, color, and scale. Keanu Reeves's performance is bloody awful, as is acknowledged by just about everyone (including Coppola), but I thought Winona Ryder's performance was not as bad as the critics made it out to be. Moreover, the acting is less central to this movie than the sheer spectacle. As Roger Ebert wrote, "I enjoyed the movie simply for the way it looked and felt. ... The movie is an exercise in feverish excess, and for that if for little else, I enjoyed it." Marnie is one of my favorite Hitchcocks, an opinion shared with just about no one. Knowing me, I'll probably think of more to add to this list. There are some movies on your list which I've supported for years and I own on disk. "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow" Great tribute to the old adventure serials and 1940s Superman cartoons. Good cast. The CGI has a comic book / old movie feel. "Bram Stoker's Dracula" This is one of the best vampire movies. Fine attention to detail and a nice alternative to the Lugosi classic. Imo at least BB ;-) Good to see another Sky Captain fan! I wasn't so sure about it the first time I saw it--the CG does give it a comic-book feel, but it almost makes it feel too cartoony--but its heart is so very much in the right place that I have to give that a pass. Some critics thought Jude Law sounded tired; I thought he was quite good as the Errol Flynn-esque hero. And Miss Paltrow was quite fetching in her '40s Lois Lane/Hildy (Hildegarde, that is) Johnson attire. (I'm a little bothered at the use of Olivier's ghost, however; that does feel a bit weird.) It is 100x more entertaining than the majority of cinematic blockbusters nowadays. I've wanted to see it again for a long time. By the way, have you seen The Rocketeer? Very similar, and you'll probably love it if you like old adventure serials and '40s Superman comics (as I do too). Bram Stoker's Dracula isn't perfect--Reeves's performance stinks, plain and simple--but it is a spectacle, as I noted above. You're right about the "fine attention to detail," remarkable in such a big, overbearing production, and I really like the old-fashioned special effects. My biggest caveat with it is the love story angle--not the angle per se (I'm not a Dracula purist by any means, though I am a great fan of the book) but how much it mangles the plot because of it. Dracula is evil--but we're supposed to say, oh, he loves her, that's what matters! It doesn't fit with all the scenes of Drac's evilness. One can't really have it both ways. That aside, it's a grand, operatic film, utterly sui generis. I do find it underrated and like it quite a bit.
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