Post by harpospoke on Oct 22, 2017 23:35:11 GMT
Well, the fighting began in 2008 shortly before the release of The Dark Knight. MCU fans were on a high after the release of Iron Man so MCU fans started flooding The Dark Knight boards on IMDb with threads about how The Dark Knight was going to be a huge flop. Then when The Dark Knight starting breaking all kinds of box office records, MCU fans got jealous and started attacking DC fans. That's how the fighting started.
And when Heath Ledger won the Oscar in 2009, MCU fans went ballistic. MCU fans started making all kinds of excuses and tried to exploit Ledger's death by claiming that the Academy awarded him the Oscar out of pity. That was also probably when formersamhmd came up with his lame "artificial boosters" excuse that he continues to use to this day to exploit the death of a young man.
Marvel fans were too busy being excited about the post credits "Avengers initiative" to bother attacking TDK too much.
Then TDK came out and DC fans felt the need to spoil the Marvel party and rub the fans noses in TDK box office and how it "transcended the genre" (i.e. ashamed to be a comic book movie).
Actually I think it's more Batman fans than DC fans. Most Batman fans really only care about him. The only use they have for other DC character is to have them around to be written as idiots to make Batman look cooler. Batman fans especially hate Superman. Since Supes is my favorite DC character I don't have much use for Batman fans. (Batman can defeat Superman? Most ridiculous claim in comics history)
Remember when TDK was supposed to change the way SH movies were made? Batman fans wouldn't shut up about that one. It didn't turn out that way. Instead it was Iron Man that changed how SH movies were made. The last thing that was supposed to happen was DC jumping on the shared universe bandwagon. SH movies were supposed to get all "dark" and avoid being in the SH genre at all costs.
So in the intervening years DC fans have gotten more and more bitter as Marvel reinvented the genre. Batman was supposed to set the world in order with TDKR but of course Avengers was the story that year as it cemented the change in the genre. It wasn't taken well when Avengers outgrossed TDK either.
That was some kind of tipping point with DC fans. That's when they started sending death threats to critics. And of course they got so paranoid that they started claiming Disney was paying critics to give bad reviews to DC movies and that Rotten Tomatoes was against them. (never mind that WB owned RT at the time) It reached a level of hysteria where DC fans started formulating several talking points about Marvel movies that make no sense.
"No stakes". This is a good one. Supposed Marvel is the only one that doesn't kill its heroes. Coulson coming back to life was seen as the ultimate sin. I guess we are supposed to forget Batman's fake "death" in TDKR. But of course it's ok when DC does it. Fake complaint. Almost no one kills the hero at the end. Batman, Superman (yeah...he came back to life too), and Wonder Woman are going to live through the JL movie. Spoiler alert. But that won't be "no stakes" because it's a DC movie.
"Bad villains". Another whopper. Supposedly Marvel doesn't have any good villains. We aren't supposed to notice Lex Luthor, Doomsday, Ares, Enchantress, and Zod I guess. Great villains have never been a big deal in movies anyway so it's another fake complaint. Marvel had the two best villains in this year's SH movies anyway. Vulture and Ego were a mile better than Ares and whoever that guy was in Logan. (yeah...it really hurt Logan that the villain wasn't great, didn't it?)
"Formula". The idea that every Marvel movie is exactly the same. O...kay.... So Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Avengers, and Winter Soldier are just alike, eh? Wow...
Those just get repeated over and over. It's possible some DC fans might actually believe some of it.
I mean...if anyone can find this kind of absurdity from Marvel fans directed at DC movies, I would love to hear about. From what I've seen, Marvel fans just snicker at the critical failures of the DCU so far.
Maybe Marvel fans would be that crazy if their movies were critical failures while DC movies were enjoying a period of genre changing critical prosperity. But there is nothing like the Batman fanbase in Marvel. The Spider-Man fans don't insist that he can defeat all the other Marvel characters and don't need writers to make the other characters stupid so he can shine.