Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2017 23:24:40 GMT
harpospoke
I never said he was well known. You said he was someone only geeks knew and that is completely wrong.
They were willing to do it otherwise they wouldn't have bought the rights. It wasn't made because of common development issues. Issues that also delayed other movies like Superman, Batman and Spider-man.
It was never expected to make as little as those movies. Iron Man was far more well known than Blade who did have some successful movies as well for what they were.
No that's besides the point. X-men is Fox's biggest property, it is not something they can afford to mess about with because it could potentially put an end to what is a yearly series.
Yet they still take chances with it anyway.
That is not how it works at all. If it was as simple as that then Terminator Genisys and Expendables 3 wouldn't have sold out and gone PG-13, they could have just lowered the budget and kept it R.
PG-13 movies can reach a bigger audience and so bring in more money. The X-men series had consistently been successful as PG-13 including the Wolverine movies and yet they made an R rated sequel.
It doesn't matter if they lowered the budget. It was something they never had to do at all and by lowering the budget acknowledged that it could make less money than if they had just kept it PG-13.
Marvel would never make an R rated sequel.
They'd already decided that Logan was going to be R rated before that movie even came out.
No I was never falling about Marvel playing it safe back in 2008 when they had hardly even made a movie, that doesn't even make sense. I was talking about them playing it safe today, in 2017, when they are 17 successful movies in and one of the biggest studios around.
Which is common practice. They gave the much bigger Jurassic World to Colin Trevorrow who made one movie that made $4 million.
Which is DC's 5th movie and also only the first proper appearance of those characters. Marvel has 17 movies, over four times as many and still the most significant death....not counting Coulson because he came back......so Granny Peggy? Who wasn't going to do anything else anyway so that doesn't really count for anything.
Prequel versions of those characters will be back. They brought Obi Wan back in the prequels but he still died.
Which again only has 5 movies. Even that though Includes
- Superman dying
- A R rated director's cut of one of the movies
- A movie based on villains
- A superhero movie with a female lead.
Whereas Marvel's R rated cut of a movie? Where's it's movie where the villains are the main characters? Where's it's female led Superhero movie? Still a couple years away and again they've had 17 movies.
@carrot
Well nobody said that. A movies ratings doesn't have anything at all do with a good or bad movie is.
formersamhmd
Fox don't make movies, they distribute them and they did so with a R rated movie that's part of the X-men brand.
Variety.
No the characters died so obviously they count. The others died in the original timeline, they created a new timeline due to that and then they died in that timeline also.
So they've killed them off twice actually.
Skaathar
But they did still make the movie. Where is Marvels low budget R rated movie?
Fox had two successful PG-13 Wolverine movies and then made a R rated Wolverine movie. When is Marvel going to make a R rated follow up to the successful PG-13 Iron Man or Captain movies?
This is pretty amazing. You are actually trying to make the case that Iron Man was a well known character.
I never said he was well known. You said he was someone only geeks knew and that is completely wrong.
And you even pointed out that big established studios weren't willing to do it before Marvel did.
They were willing to do it otherwise they wouldn't have bought the rights. It wasn't made because of common development issues. Issues that also delayed other movies like Superman, Batman and Spider-man.
We have literally talked about some of the CBMs that were not successful during that time period. If Iron Man had grossed what Blade or Elekra did, this board would not exist.
It was never expected to make as little as those movies. Iron Man was far more well known than Blade who did have some successful movies as well for what they were.
And Fox was already established when they started making CBMs....not remotely the same situation as Marvel.
No that's besides the point. X-men is Fox's biggest property, it is not something they can afford to mess about with because it could potentially put an end to what is a yearly series.
Yet they still take chances with it anyway.
There is no more risk for an R rated movie...because they lower the budget.
That is not how it works at all. If it was as simple as that then Terminator Genisys and Expendables 3 wouldn't have sold out and gone PG-13, they could have just lowered the budget and kept it R.
PG-13 movies can reach a bigger audience and so bring in more money. The X-men series had consistently been successful as PG-13 including the Wolverine movies and yet they made an R rated sequel.
It doesn't matter if they lowered the budget. It was something they never had to do at all and by lowering the budget acknowledged that it could make less money than if they had just kept it PG-13.
Marvel would never make an R rated sequel.
They did that AFTER Ryan Reynolds proved to them an R rated movie could work.
They'd already decided that Logan was going to be R rated before that movie even came out.
Yeah...we were talking about 2008 in case you forgot.
No I was never falling about Marvel playing it safe back in 2008 when they had hardly even made a movie, that doesn't even make sense. I was talking about them playing it safe today, in 2017, when they are 17 successful movies in and one of the biggest studios around.
They actually gave an indie director full control of one of their franchises and let him take it in a whole new direction. Taika Waititi's highest grossing movie in the US was....$5,205,468
Which is common practice. They gave the much bigger Jurassic World to Colin Trevorrow who made one movie that made $4 million.
I noticed Flash, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman all survived the JL movie.
Which is DC's 5th movie and also only the first proper appearance of those characters. Marvel has 17 movies, over four times as many and still the most significant death....not counting Coulson because he came back......so Granny Peggy? Who wasn't going to do anything else anyway so that doesn't really count for anything.
Storm, Cyclops, and Jean are going to be right back on the screen next year so that's hardly impressive
Prequel versions of those characters will be back. They brought Obi Wan back in the prequels but he still died.
All this is true of the DCU.
Which again only has 5 movies. Even that though Includes
- Superman dying
- A R rated director's cut of one of the movies
- A movie based on villains
- A superhero movie with a female lead.
Whereas Marvel's R rated cut of a movie? Where's it's movie where the villains are the main characters? Where's it's female led Superhero movie? Still a couple years away and again they've had 17 movies.
@carrot
My point is you can bitch about ratings but ratings do not equal quality.
Well nobody said that. A movies ratings doesn't have anything at all do with a good or bad movie is.
formersamhmd
Deadpool was not made by Fox, it was made by Reynolds and then Fox took credit for it.
Fox don't make movies, they distribute them and they did so with a R rated movie that's part of the X-men brand.
Why should they?
Variety.
Logan and Xavier don't count, and the others were undone.
No the characters died so obviously they count. The others died in the original timeline, they created a new timeline due to that and then they died in that timeline also.
So they've killed them off twice actually.
Skaathar
Them giving it such a low budget just proves that they DIDN'T want to risk an R rated movie.
But they did still make the movie. Where is Marvels low budget R rated movie?
Fox had two successful PG-13 Wolverine movies and then made a R rated Wolverine movie. When is Marvel going to make a R rated follow up to the successful PG-13 Iron Man or Captain movies?