Post by harpospoke on Dec 11, 2017 20:05:50 GMT
The Indiana Jones Trilogy is pretty much the same as above, but I think the MCU has better villains by just a bit.
We're not talking about better or worse, It's not an evaluation of acting and cinematography
We're talking about bigger accomplishment,
And TDK and Indiana Jones aren't bigger accomplishments.
The state of film today got there because of countless things happening that many have mentioned.
What is the "biggest achievement"? Wouldn't the invention of the movie camera be #1? Everything after that point pales in comparison, right? Sound arrives and then color...pretty big accomplishments.
How would you decide what is "more important"? Buster Keaton and Charlie Chaplin helped invent comedy in motion pictures and then the Marx Brothers showed how to do it with sound.
But are we just talking about single movies or a series of movies? Not the same thing and not easy to accomplish either.
Gone with the Wind might be the single biggest accomplishment with how it endured over several generations as people continued to flock back to theaters to see it decades after it was released. And then it set the all time TV ratings record when it was finally broadcast on TV in the 70s.....about 35 years after it was released. It then set cable TV records in the 80s when Turner made it the first thing broadcast on TNT. (he later used it to launch TCM as well) It was released on home video in 1985...yet actually topped the video sales chart at Amazon as recently as 2015.
Star Wars is right up there as well. It changed the world of movie making in the sense of merchandise and the value of sequels. (sequels had happened before, but not on that scale) "Event movies"...that kinda comes from Star Wars with an assist from Jaws. It also brought geek culture into the mainstream and alerted Hollywood to the possibilities in that fan base.
Lord of the Rings is a different kind of accomplishment in that it brought a genre like fantasy into the mainstream and Jackson's "film three movies at once" thing was pretty new.
Pixar changed animation...big time. It was as original as it gets. Suddenly traditional animation looked old fashioned and stale overnight. If you weren't doing computer animation you were going to have to change that day. Pixar also had a run of 11 fresh RT movies that seemed impossible to match at the time.
Marvel also changed the game. A shared universe is suddenly something that everyone wants to do. Their ability to make the public care about obscure characters is pretty amazing. People now know and care about Ant-Man, Dr Strange, Iron Man, Thor, and Guardians of the Galaxy. Marvel even topped Pixar's run of fresh RT movies with their current 17 movie winning streak.
In 2008, some claimed that TDK would be the template for how CBMs were made. But of course that didn't happen. Instead it was the Marvel movie that changed the genre. WB is pretty much the only studio that tried to copy TDK and that was a disaster. Marvel changed everything so dramatically that even WB is having to adopt the Marvel method.
Which gets into the "accomplishment" part. If it was just as easy as copying Marvel then other studios would be having success too. But as we are finding out, it's not as easy as it looks. We are seeing attempts to copy Marvel fail left and right.
Interesting about disco. Some claim it died...but dance music and dance clubs never went away. You can go to a dance club tonight and dance all night to songs designed almost solely to facilitate dancing.
They just changed the name from "disco" and "discotheque
" to "club music" and "dance club". The joke's on those who hated disco I guess.