I saw TLJ and it SUCKS

I saw TLJ and it SUCKS Dec 14, 2017 2:49:03 GMT via mobile ryboto likes this

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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 14, 2017 2:49:03 GMT

Dec 13, 2017 22:35:30 GMT @bartlesby said:

Dec 13, 2017 21:59:18 GMT @painbow said:

Yes but 1) Luke knows he has abilities by this point and 2) this particular ability is hardly mind blowing.

Rey meanwhile 1) knows absolutely nothing! She literally just decides... 'hey, I wonder if i can make this guard do what I say for some reason. I have no reason for believing that I can but screw it, let's give it a shot' and 2) she uses an ability that has been shown to be extremely difficult to master (Luke, in fact, demonstrates how far he's come in Return of the Jedi by using this particular ability). The earlier films establish that you don't just randomly know how to use these abilities. Yoda even thinks Luke is too old to learn how to master them (he ain't much older than Rey).

It's extremely bad story telling.

And again: I know that you're an idiot. If Rey was a man, I'd be asking exactly the same question.

HOW!?

If I'm recalling correctly, it's strongly implied that Rey learns to use the Jedi Mind Trick as the result of Kylo Ren's probing of her mind. It doesn't just come out of nowhere; she was stealing his moves. This interpretation is further informed by her character's background as a scavenger. She would be somebody adept at identifying and appropriating things of value and lived in an environment where being adaptable, quick witted and decisive would be key to survival. It makes sense for her character, which had already been strongly implied as having some inherent connection to the Force, to be able make a guess at what he was doing and boldly attempt to emulate it. Rey is also a far more determined and strong-willed person than Luke was, initially, so perhaps that also plays a part in how quickly she can learn magic that is entirely reliant on having faith in its ability to do the impossible.

Of course, it was also fan-service because people love the Jedi Mind Trick for some reason. That's the main reason it was there. But it was set up properly by the film and her character and not as out of left-field as people make it out to be.

The problem with this "learning thru Kylo's mind probe" argument is that it pisses all over the point of training in the other 2 trilogies. Why go through all of that youngling and padawan crap if all you have to do is mind probe each other and instantly transfer abilities and powers? Not to mention the very notion of this implicates Kylo as being one of the most inept Force users ever! At no other point in SW history has a trained Force user been vulnerable to Jedi mind tricks and probes. Less we not forget the famous line "It only works on the weak minded." Even in the (canon) Clone Wars animated series it took 3 Jedi masters to try to mind probe a non-Force user bounty hunter named Cad Bane. They just cared about reeling in Disney warrior princess fans by making Rey one, even though it doesn't harmonize with the pre-established lore. Anyone who takes the mythos of SW seriously could see that Rey was poorly written.