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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 14, 2017 3:47:27 GMT
The problem with this "learning thru Kylo's mind probe" argument is that it pisses all over the point of training in the other 2 trilogies. Why go through all of that youngling and padawan crap if all you have to do is mind probe each other and instantly transfer abilities and powers? Not to mention the very notion of this implicates Kylo as being one of the most inept Force users ever! At no other point in SW history has a trained Force user been vulnerable to Jedi mind tricks and probes. Less we not forget the famous line "It only works on the weak minded." Even in the (canon) Clone Wars animated series it took 3 Jedi masters to try to mind probe a non-Force user bounty hunter named Cad Bane. They just cared about reeling in Disney warrior princess fans by making Rey one, even though it doesn't harmonize with the pre-established lore. Anyone who takes the mythos of SW seriously could see that Rey was poorly written. Luke received cursory training at best from Obi Wan in the first film and yet in the next film, he's able to use telekinesis. If the training is such an important point when it comes to using the Force, why would he have that ability despite never being trained in it? Did Obi Wan teach him that as a ghost? Or was it just to show that he had natural potential and that the training was there to teach him control and refinement, and ultimately restraint? What I'm saying is that like Rey, he figured out a few tricks by himself after becoming aware of his ability to use the Force, but he required training to learn to control it. This doesn't piss on anything as it has been a theme present since the second film. Also, in Return of the Jedi, Darth Vader is able to read Luke's mind so it's not so far-fetched that they can probe the thoughts of other Jedi if the circumstances are right. ESB is 3 years later in which Luke had 3 years to practice and expand the Force offscreen. Maybe Ghost Kenobi did help out. Maybe Luke figured it out. But it took him 3 years. You think he sat on his butt and did nothing? No, not like Rey. Rey went through no training and she already used it like a master in 1 day. Darth Vader read Luke's mind because he's a veteran and Luke was under constant assault. Rey can suddenly overpower a mind probe while looking confused and mind probe back at Kylo Ren with no resistance. Which only further delegitimizes Kylo Ren as a threat. She can also Force Grab a lightsaber while looking surprised she did it at all while at the same time Kylo Ren was entirely focusing on also doing a Force Grab. |
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