I saw TLJ and it SUCKS

I saw TLJ and it SUCKS Dec 14, 2017 4:06:59 GMT via mobile ryboto and simplemoviecommenter like this

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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 14, 2017 4:06:59 GMT

Dec 14, 2017 3:14:48 GMT @bartlesby said:

Dec 14, 2017 2:49:03 GMT Waxer-n-boil said:

The problem with this "learning thru Kylo's mind probe" argument is that it pisses all over the point of training in the other 2 trilogies. Why go through all of that youngling and padawan crap if all you have to do is mind probe each other and instantly transfer abilities and powers? Not to mention the very notion of this implicates Kylo as being one of the most inept Force users ever! At no other point in SW history has a trained Force user been vulnerable to Jedi mind tricks and probes. Less we not forget the famous line "It only works on the weak minded." Even in the (canon) Clone Wars animated series it took 3 Jedi masters to try to mind probe a non-Force user bounty hunter named Cad Bane. They just cared about reeling in Disney warrior princess fans by making Rey one, even though it doesn't harmonize with the pre-established lore. Anyone who takes the mythos of SW seriously could see that Rey was poorly written.

Luke received cursory training at best from Obi Wan in the first film and yet in the next film, he's able to use telekinesis. If the training is such an important point when it comes to using the Force, why would he have that ability despite never being trained in it? Did Obi Wan teach him that as a ghost? Or was it just to show that he had natural potential and that the training was there to teach him control and refinement, and ultimately restraint? What I'm saying is that like Rey, he figured out a few tricks by himself after becoming aware of his ability to use the Force, but he required training to learn to control it. This doesn't piss on anything as it has been a theme present since the second film.

Also, in Return of the Jedi, Darth Vader is able to read Luke's mind so it's not so far-fetched that they can probe the thoughts of other Jedi if the circumstances are right.

Luke wasn't making attempts against trained Force users in those instances. And even the instance you referred to with Vader sensing Luke thinking about Leia, Vader was superior in training. Even Anakin consistently loss to people with superior training, even though his midichlorian count was higher than Yoda's. So again, it pisses all over the significance of training as to having any relevance or giving any advantage. Rey bested Kylo over and over again, and effortlessly.

And then there's the confrontation between them in the forest. Kylo knocks her unconscious with the Force. Only for Rey to instantly wake up and outdo him in Force pulling the lightsaber. But as soon as the lightsaber battle starts, suddenly Rey's superior Force ability disappears. Even though a minute earlier she had no problem easily using the Force to best Kylo. This of course is done to create tension right before Rey shows off her MarySue connection to the Force. (Even though this scenario makes no sense).

Then Kylo stopped to seduce her. This gives Rey a chance to meditate and go back to being invincible instant MarySue. Then Kylo stares at her for over 5 seconds without making a move to cripple her. Despite already seeing 2 or 3 times that once Rey uses the Force she instantly defeated him. Nevertheless he stands there knowing full well she's meditating on the Force. As if he expected something different to happen this time. It's just bad, contrived writing.