I saw TLJ and it SUCKS

I saw TLJ and it SUCKS Dec 14, 2017 17:09:42 GMT via mobile ryboto likes this

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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 14, 2017 17:09:42 GMT

Dec 14, 2017 16:14:25 GMT @winterssuicide said:

Dec 14, 2017 4:06:59 GMT Waxer-n-boil said:

Luke wasn't making attempts against trained Force users in those instances.

Let's slow our rolls on assuming we know how much training Kylo has actually received because we don't. In fact, the only thing we know is that his training is incomplete. Sure, we're told he was a student of Luke's, but we're not told specifically how long. All we know is that he disappeared with Luke five years before TFA to receive Luke's training and that sometime afterwards, he joined the First Order. But we don't know exactly how long that was. Could have been the week after he left with Luke, could have been longer. We don't know.

Even Anakin consistently loss to people with superior training, even though his midichlorian count was higher than Yoda's.

As far as I can remember, Anakin lost one duel in canon against Dooku. One. If I missed something, let me know, but one duel does not equate to the statement "consistently loss." It was one duel. (be careful responding to this statement...I forewarn you...It's a Trap!)

Anakin lost to Dooku half a dozen more times in the Clone Wars animated series. (Yes it's canon). He also lost to ObiWan in ROTS. In all of those cases the biggest factor in him losing was more training and experience that his opponent had. In the case of Kylo it is completely meaningless. In fact it doesn't even by him time. He's instantly overwhelmed and defeated the second Rey starts using the Force against him.

Rey bested Kylo over and over again, and effortlessly.

Anger, fear aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight.

It sounds like you're saying Rey always used the Darkside. And that explains her victories. Even if that were the case it begs the question, how would someone with so much more experience at using the Darkside like Kylo be so quickly overwhelmed by someone who hardly even knows what the Darkside is? Why wouldn't Rey have a darker personality if she draws from the Darkside in situations of confrontation? Being a scavenger slave competing against thugs and being raised without a benevolent mentor or guardian would've been "fertile soil" to become a Darksider.

And then there's the confrontation between them in the forest. Kylo knocks her unconscious with the Force. Only for Rey to instantly wake up and outdo him in Force pulling the lightsaber. But as soon as the lightsaber battle starts, suddenly Rey's superior Force ability disappears. Even though a minute earlier she had no problem easily using the Force to best Kylo. This of course is done to create tension right before Rey shows off her MarySue connection to the Force. (Even though this scenario makes no sense).

And I would argue that this very sequence helps explain the difference between pure Force ability (which, per canon, is directly tied to midi-chlorian count), which is random, uncontrolled and sometimes deadly, versus the control that training offers.

I still say it makes little sense for Rey to wake up from a concussion and instantly turn to using the Force in something she hasn't done before... but has no compulsion to use the Force with a skill... (defending herself with a meelee weapon) ...that she's done half her life.