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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 10:57:16 GMT
tpfkar Ah, well, I'm guessing @miccee was referring to evidence for libertarian free will (either that brain states aren't physically determined, or that brain states aren't wholly responsible for our choices) since he doesn't consider other versions valid/worthwhile. Fine to guess, but free will =/= libertarian free will. Doesn't really matter what he feels is worthwhile, there's gobs of secular support in the scientific and philosophical mainstream. Neuroscience and Free Will Are Rethinking Their DivorceWith any other type of free will other than libertarian free will, the conclusion of the Libet experiment (i.e. that decisions have been made before awareness of the decision) would be uncontroversial. The 'existence' of what is known as 'compatibilist free will' is uncontested, because all it does is assesses reality and then reshapes the definition of 'free will' to fit reality. So if all you're doing is creating a label to apply to something that is known to exist, then there obviously can't be any evidence that what you're referring to doesn't exist. The only thing that is contested is whether that should be referred to as 'free will'. Certainly you don't seem to be arguing strictly in favour of compatibilist free will, given that you have taken issue with any claims that our decisions are entirely the product of determinism. So you're somewhat backtracking to save face in front of Eva Yojimbo, because you appreciate the weakness of your position and know that you look like a moron.
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