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Post by cupcakes on Dec 19, 2017 11:30:30 GMT
tpfkar With any other type of free will other than libertarian free will, the conclusion of the Libet experiment (i.e. that decisions have been made before awareness of the decision) would be uncontroversial. The 'existence' of what is known as 'compatibilist free will' is uncontested, because all it does is assesses reality and then reshapes the definition of 'free will' to fit reality. So if all you're doing is creating a label to apply to something that is known to exist, then there obviously can't be any evidence that what you're referring to doesn't exist. The only thing that is contested is whether that should be referred to as 'free will'. Certainly you don't seem to be arguing strictly in favour of compatibilist free will, given that you have taken issue with any claims that our decisions are entirely the product of determinism. So you're somewhat backtracking to save face in front of @eva Yojimbo, because you appreciate the weakness of your position and know that you look like a moron. No, Libet's conclusions are flawed no matter how applied and whether or not they would affect, if sound, any particular posed paradigm of free will. Just because you do some decision making ahead of time as you're getting ready to act and rely on systems to help you accomplish does not yield that you're not making the choices. Normal people think of free will as choosing and doing. Nobody (reasonable) has every thought we consciously micromanaged every reflex or trained response. "The product of determinism" is a loaded phrase that has implications that can be explored. If by that you mean everything is cause and effect, I've never thought nor asserted otherwise. If you then use that to try to pose that we're organic robots not really making choices, then I say you've got a whole lot of work to do as the science comes nowhere near it, regardless of your oversimplistic billiard-ball dippy bird applications. And you're an utter liar. You just make up whatever you like for sh!ts and feels.  Driven by your desperate apocalypse faith of the Great Objective (mass killing),
And they shouldn't be expected to pay the price of everyone else's joy. Especially if nobody would be deprived of that joy in a universe with no sentient life. |
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