Post by summers8 on Dec 26, 2017 21:27:42 GMT
some of you all are delusional. MCU characters are D listers Disney snuffed life off to make money through the appeal of a cinematic universe that has hurt MCU characters in the long run as they all lost any little identity they had.
they are soulless co-operate products. Feige even know this. he always wanted xmen but settled for MCU . now that he has his hands on xmen he is like a vampire in a blood bank. he could care less about MCU now. what a nutcase. this guy has been gushing about how he cant wait to get his hands on xmen. he never talks passionately that way with MCU.
there is no throne to take back since marvel died somewhere around 2011. its just Disney trash now pretending to be marvel ask any life long marvel fan not you mcu fans. Reason DC is killing marvel right now in comics, animations, games and more and even movies if we take into account wonder woman and the TDK trilogy (still new) that MCU has yet to match and surpass. X-Men matched with Logan this year .
its will be insulting to see xmen sitting on a Disney throne when disney cannot even produce movies like Logan and DOFP or make cartoons like XMen TAS, X-Men evolution or hire writers like Claremont, Lodbell and Frank Miller to give other marvel proprieties the amount of authentic timeless comic book literacy that X-men has, surpassed maybe only by Batman's literacy. Let MCU sit on the Disney comedy throne that no deep-thinking person takes seriously or see as real art. just keep xmen away, it will be helpful
The MCU characters WERE B listers. That's prior to 2008. Now they are A listers where kids wear Iron Man, Thor, Cap, and Hulk costumes on Halloween. And the box office doesn't lie no matter how you try to dismiss it as if it doesn't matter. Logan was really good...but still didn't equal what Iron Man, Cap, and Thor movies currently make. There is a 250 million ceiling on Fox X-men movie they can't break through.
The MCU is the top tier of CBMs at the moment. That's just how it is. MCU movies took the top 3 spots at the box office this year...and they did that with a GotG movie and a Thor movie. Logan...came in 6th (last place). The usual from Fox. They've always lagged behind the other studios. You claim Marvel died in 2011? Since then they have released:
Avengers
Winter Soldier
GotG
Civil War
GotG 2
Spider-Man Homecoming
Thor 3
That's not even counting Dr Strange and Ant-Man...which other people love more than I do. They've hit box office high points with Iron Man, Cap, and Thor in their THIRD movies. This year was 3 home runs.
Man...they are getting better...not worse. (no doubt because they got rid of Perlmutter)
I agree Feige would have loved to have X-men in 2008. He also would have preferred to make a Spider-Man movie. But that's changed now. If they started right now in their current state, Iron Man, Thor, Cap, and even Dr Strange would come before X-men. (That's right....Dr Strange outgrossed X-men by over 100 million last year)
It's true that Marvel has problems with their SJW comics, but who the heck reads comics? Same with this "animations" thing. If you watch any of these animated movies it's pretty painful and cheesy. We let a lot of bad stuff pass when it's a cartoon. You try that stuff in live action and people will laugh it out of the theater. And again...how many people are really watching these "great cartoons"?
Says something about how badly DC is doing when you have to reach back for the Nolan trilogy and claim it's "still new". TDK was the beloved movie and that's a decade old. Remember when it was claimed that TDK was going to change the way CBMs were made? Yeah...that didn't happen. The genre has ignored TDK and gone with what Iron Man started instead. Now even DC is trying to copy what Marvel did. I hate to kick DC while they are down...but they are struggling and have been for several years. (hey...at least JL was way better than Star Wars!)
I liked it when spiderman, xmen, F4 batman ,superman became a listers because they had and still have good comic stories, some good stand alone movies, good cartoons and did not need to become Disney soulless Disney product with no identity.... of their own. Do you know that since 2011 every xmen movie outclassed every mcu movie. Lets look at facts
2011
First Class outclassed Thor 1, Captian America 1
2013
The Wolverine was less hated than Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. 2/3 of the movie was great.
2014
DOFP outclassed GOTG and The Winter Solider
2016
Deadpool outclassed Civil War and Dr Strange...even snagged a golden globe nomination for best picture
2017
Logan outclassed GOTG 2, Thor 3 and Homecoming.
Every year xmen had a movie out, mcu was made to look kind of dumb and generic, the facts don’t lie. but it did help the genre. Who the heck read comics? Not mcu fans , reason they think DOFP is a rip off terminator 2 and think comics is about jokes and fun and cgi
Not all animations are painful and cheesy just the mcu Disney xd stuff because unlike cartoons like xmen tas, spiderman tas or batman tas, the mcu cartoons today are not meant to appeal to grown ups too. Please watch a DC animation like under the redhood, is a better comic film than most mcu movies.
Nolan is still new and DC has wonder woman and in all fairness gotg 2 is worse than justice league but got a pass because it is a mcu movie.