Post by harpospoke on Dec 27, 2017 4:30:26 GMT
The MCU characters WERE B listers. That's prior to 2008. Now they are A listers where kids wear Iron Man, Thor, Cap, and Hulk costumes on Halloween. And the box office doesn't lie no matter how you try to dismiss it as if it doesn't matter. Logan was really good...but still didn't equal what Iron Man, Cap, and Thor movies currently make. There is a 250 million ceiling on Fox X-men movie they can't break through.
The MCU is the top tier of CBMs at the moment. That's just how it is. MCU movies took the top 3 spots at the box office this year...and they did that with a GotG movie and a Thor movie. Logan...came in 6th (last place). The usual from Fox. They've always lagged behind the other studios. You claim Marvel died in 2011? Since then they have released:
Avengers
Winter Soldier
GotG
Civil War
GotG 2
Spider-Man Homecoming
Thor 3
That's not even counting Dr Strange and Ant-Man...which other people love more than I do. They've hit box office high points with Iron Man, Cap, and Thor in their THIRD movies. This year was 3 home runs.
Man...they are getting better...not worse. (no doubt because they got rid of Perlmutter)
I agree Feige would have loved to have X-men in 2008. He also would have preferred to make a Spider-Man movie. But that's changed now. If they started right now in their current state, Iron Man, Thor, Cap, and even Dr Strange would come before X-men. (That's right....Dr Strange outgrossed X-men by over 100 million last year)
It's true that Marvel has problems with their SJW comics, but who the heck reads comics? Same with this "animations" thing. If you watch any of these animated movies it's pretty painful and cheesy. We let a lot of bad stuff pass when it's a cartoon. You try that stuff in live action and people will laugh it out of the theater. And again...how many people are really watching these "great cartoons"?
Says something about how badly DC is doing when you have to reach back for the Nolan trilogy and claim it's "still new". TDK was the beloved movie and that's a decade old. Remember when it was claimed that TDK was going to change the way CBMs were made? Yeah...that didn't happen. The genre has ignored TDK and gone with what Iron Man started instead. Now even DC is trying to copy what Marvel did. I hate to kick DC while they are down...but they are struggling and have been for several years. (hey...at least JL was way better than Star Wars!)
2011
First Class outclassed Thor 1, Captian America 1
Facts? There are no facts. You say one movie is better and that is true ONLY for you.
What we do know is that more people like Marvel movies than Fox movies. That's the ONLY facts:
XM:FC-$353.6
Cap 1-$370.6
Thor 1-$449.3
This was Marvel trotting out two B list characters for the very first time against the 5th X-men movie featuring characters which started out ahead of Cap and Thor in 2000 in terms of popularity. Fox had 4 previous films to establish the characters and couldn't even make them more popular than Marvel's B team starting from scratch. Yikes...
2013
The Wolverine was less hated than Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. 2/3 of the movie was great.
The Wolverine was less hated than Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. 2/3 of the movie was great.
Your opinion of the movies means nothing. Obviously The Wolverine was the most hated of the 3. We have the box office proof and it's not close:
Wolverine-$414.8
Thor 2-$644.6
IM 3-$1,214.8
Now the gap gets wider. Thor, in his 2nd movie, makes 230 million more than Logan in his 6th appearance. That's embarrassing when you start out with Logan and immediately fall behind Thor. Fox as usual, is in last place.
2014
DOFP outclassed GOTG and The Winter Solider
DOFP outclassed GOTG and The Winter Solider
Well about time!
TWS-$714.3
DofP-$747.9
Xmen in their 7th movie finally edge out Cap in his 2nd movie. A rare victory for Fox.
2016
Deadpool outclassed Civil War and Dr Strange...even snagged a golden globe nomination for best picture
Deadpool outclassed Civil War and Dr Strange...even snagged a golden globe nomination for best picture
Deadpool was the movie Fox didn't want to make for a decade and they barely cared about it so it's not remotely surprising to me that it's the most popular CBM they ever released. What a shock...Fox isn't involved and it immediately gets better.
XM:Apocalypse-$543.9
Dr Strange-$677.7
DP-$783.1
Cap 3-$1,153.3
Fox is back in last place where they usually reside. They were beaten soundly by Marvel and Ryan Reynolds.
2017
Logan outclassed GOTG 2, Thor 3 and Homecoming.
Logan outclassed GOTG 2, Thor 3 and Homecoming.
Being the least popular movie is hardly "outclassing" anyone.
Logan-$616.8
Thor 3-$846.1
SM:H-$880.2
At least it's not embarrassing to lose to Spidey. But the gap between Thor and Logan is still 230 million. Fox may want to avoid putting Logan head to head against Thor in the future. ...Oh wait...we don't have to worry about that any more, do we? Fox is done screwing up the X-men.

