Post by Ecstasy on Dec 30, 2017 21:47:10 GMT
Ok I'll clarify. They had 4 films to establish the X-men franchise...which again....was more popular than Cap and Thor were when Fox started making those movies in 2000.
You’re not clarifying, you’re just trying to save face after realizing that argument showed how uninformed you are. Because you were clearly talking about establishing characters.
This was Marvel trotting out two B list characters for the very first time against the 5th X-men movie featuring characters which started out ahead of Cap and Thor in 2000 in terms of popularity.
But let’s pretend that you really meant the franchise, that argument is also idiotic. Thor and Cap were the fourth and fifth films in a franchise just like First Class. Fucking Iron Man 2 is critized for trying way too hard to make sure the audience knew those movies are in the same universe. Mentioning the Avengers which would be the subtitle of the Cap movie, showing Cap’s iconic shield, having characters that would appear in those movies like Coulson and Howard Stark, and having the post-credit scene with Thor’s hammer, etc.
I guess you think you can get away with listing total comics sold for characters that have different histories? Cap had a 22 year head start and STILL ended up behind X-men in total sales. That's how much Cap was on a lower tier than X-men. Post 1980, it's not close.
Much of Cap’s appeances are in Avenger books as he’s the team’s longest running leader. So that should boost him pass the X-Men. But that doesn’t really matter since First Class didn’t have any popular X-Men in it and my point was that Cap isn’t a B-lister, so your point is moot either way. The X-Men in First Class range from B to C-listers. Xavier, Beast, Havok, Banshee, Darwin, and Angel Salvadore. You seriously think these these are the characters that made the X-Men popular?😆
Of course Cap and Thor were B listers. There were not very many A lister Marvel characters in 2008. There was Spidey and X-men. The next tier down would be Hulk, Blade, and FF. There really aren't very many A list comic characters in general. DC had basically 3...Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman (and their various clones).
If they were B-listers they wouldn’t have had so many cartoon and video game appearances. The Marvel vs Capcom series is HUGE and it had Captain America and Thor as playable characters before their movies. You didn’t play as Xavier, Beast, Havok, Banshee, Darwin, and Angel Salvadore in any of those games. Because that was about playing as classic Marvel characters. The only character in First Class that was in those games was Magneto.
And if you believe that Thor and Cap were A listers in 2008 you need to inform summers8. Funny how you didn't "correct" a Fox fanboy...and that's where the original point originated.
And I already address that guy in another thread I made.
IMDB2.freeforums.net/thread/78072/kevin-feige-involved-first-films
Actually that's completely true. RR revealed that he had been trying to get the DP movie made for a decade. He finally had to resort to leaking the test footage online to convince Fox to do it. It was his last gasp effort and it worked. And of course he had to go with a lower budget to get them to finally do it. Fox doesn't get credit for that one. They proved they didn't care about it for a decade and RR practically had to twist their arms to get it made.
This is the Fox Deadpool:
This is the Fox Deadpool:
Uh, the current Fox management is not the same as it was a decade ago. The guy who held Deadpool back(Ton Rothman) was fired before the movie was before the video was leaked. And no, RR push for low budget for a bigger profit and it worked. It’s the reason why Tim Miller left and why Deadpool 2 is also low budget.
Yes I'm saying Hulk is less of a star than Logan.
Then you have no idea what you are talking about. The Incredible Hulk live action TV series from the 70s was a massive culture phenomenon which has led to the Hulk having far more more pop culture references(“You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry”) than any Marvel character except arguably Spider-Man. While Wolverine was only known to comic readers and people who watched the Fox kids before the movies.
Not to mention Hulk has had far more cartoons and video games based on him than Logan. Hulk has always been far bigger icon way before MCU even existed.
But again thanks for pointing out again how Marvel is able to put multiple characters in a movie and have the audience like all of them. So much better than the Wolverine and Friends Fox movies.
You seriously think Quicksilver from AOU is liked?
....Which of course I watched. I love the X-men. Too bad Fox didn't know how to make X-men films..
No you haven’t. You’re arguments pretty confirm that. I mean you said the B-C list characters in First Class were popular X-Men in the comics and were the same cast as the previous films.🙄 I’ve meant your type before. You’re just one of those MCU fans that has only reads Wikipedia articles, watch YouTube video that talk about the X-Men, and maybe watch the cartoon when you were a kid but don’t want to read the actual comics.
But again thanks for pointing out again how Marvel is able to put multiple characters in a movie and have the audience like all of them. So much better than the Wolverine and Friends Fox movies.
....Which of course I watched. I love the X-men. Too bad Fox didn't know how to make X-men films.
....Which of course I watched. I love the X-men. Too bad Fox didn't know how to make X-men films.
Yet you think Kevin Feige can? Because he worked on the earlier X-Men films and the Wolverine & The X-Men cartoon. He’s likely the reason why those movies focused on Wolverine so heavily and you can tell by Wolverine and The X-Men. 😆
But again that's not a problem any more. Good bye Fox...and good riddance. Can't wait to see the real X-men and FF in future Marvel movies.
Bob Iger implied that Disney wants the Fox series to keep going if they are successful. But he wants Kevin Fiege to supervise.