There's no such thing as a loving God

Mar 13, 2017 18:46:12 GMT @miccee said:

Mar 13, 2017 14:53:19 GMT general313 said:

If there's no free will, then can there be culpability?  Should we dispense with court trials because the defendant can always plea "well, I didn't really have any choice in the matter"?  This seems to be sliding into solipsist territory.

Just because you don't like the conclusions it doesn't make it untrue. Yes, there is no ultimate human culpability, because we are all products of factors beyond our conscious control. However, punishment for criminals is still a necessary evil in order to keep the majority of the population safe, and act as a causal factor to deter others from committing crime. So punishment is neither just nor fair, but a lesser evil than the alternative.

If it was something that I don't like, I would just say that I don't like it. I've got better things to do than type out such a simple sentiment into something longer and I don't think you've seen that in these conversations.

I am saying that the premise of defining what God is inherently flawed unless you believe it is not.

The argument is not really about evil existing as much as it is about God existing with the assumption that he must fall within some pretty silly parameters. Due to that it makes the whole argument fall apart.

The best argument is If God is willing to prevent evil, has the power to prevent evil, but allows choice, then God is loving.

Freedom is a better state than imprisonment even if it comes with greater risk.