Post by harpospoke on Jan 9, 2018 21:21:49 GMT
No I'm clearly talking about the X-men franchise. You just don't like that I clarified the point that you tried to twist into something else.
This was Marvel trotting out two B list characters for the very first time against the 5th X-men movie featuring characters which started out ahead of Cap and Thor in 2000 in terms of popularity.
Are we pretending the general audience knew any of that existed? The fanboys knew about Cap's shield. For everyone else it was just him propping up something with a "thingy".
Building up those B listers like you mentioned with the post credit scene is of course what I'm talking about. Marvel made them into A listers. Fox has never come close with the X-men. Luckily now we don't have to worry about it going into the future.
I guess you think you can get away with listing total comics sold for characters that have different histories? Cap had a 22 year head start and STILL ended up behind X-men in total sales. That's how much Cap was on a lower tier than X-men. Post 1980, it's not close.
Thank you. Cap even had the Avengers to boost his popularity....AND had a 22 year head start...and still ended up behind the X-men.
The X-men are a group, not individuals. And they were always a bigger deal than Cap and Thor. Just like Avengers is a bigger deal than Cap and Thor. They were also always bigger than Iron Man. In Fox's hands, the X-men never achieved their potential while Marvel sprinted past them with less popular franchises.
As has been mentioned, the only reason Marvel started with Iron Man is because they didn't have Spider-Man or the X-men. This should be obvious if you aren't being willfully blind.
Of course Cap and Thor were B listers. There were not very many A lister Marvel characters in 2008. There was Spidey and X-men. The next tier down would be Hulk, Blade, and FF. There really aren't very many A list comic characters in general. DC had basically 3...Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman (and their various clones).
Is this where you pretend games mean something to the general audience? If a comic book movie got those box office totals, it would be labeled a bust. The most successful one is in Fantastic Four range. And that's the TOP grossing one. (with an assist from Angelina Jolie...her 8th highest grossing movie)
www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=videogameadaptation.htm
And if you believe that Thor and Cap were A listers in 2008 you need to inform summers8. Funny how you didn't "correct" a Fox fanboy...and that's where the original point originated.
IMDB2.freeforums.net/thread/78072/kevin-feige-involved-first-films
So you made a post after that one to cover yourself? How about doing it here when it counted instead of letting it completely pass when it supported Fox but then suddenly getting up in arms about it when it didn't benefit Fox?
Actually that's completely true. RR revealed that he had been trying to get the DP movie made for a decade. He finally had to resort to leaking the test footage online to convince Fox to do it. It was his last gasp effort and it worked. And of course he had to go with a lower budget to get them to finally do it. Fox doesn't get credit for that one. They proved they didn't care about it for a decade and RR practically had to twist their arms to get it made.This is the Fox Deadpool:
Uh, the current Fox management is not the same as it was a decade ago. The guy who held Deadpool back(Ton Rothman) was fired before the movie was before the video was leaked. And no, RR push for low budget for a bigger profit and it worked. It’s the reason why Tim Miller left and why Deadpool 2 is also low budget.
Doesn't matter who Fox management was. They all acted the same about DP. It wasn't happening for the ENTIRE decade. They didn't get passionate about it 5 years ago either. RR had to leak the footage online in a desperate attempt to make it happen. That's the facts and that doesn't remotely suggest that Fox was eager to do DP. Like you said, Rothman was gone and RR still had to resort to that tactic to get DP made. That's who Fox was.
It's R so of course it's low budget. That is nothing new. That's how it works.
Yes I'm saying Hulk is less of a star than Logan.
Then you have no idea what you are talking about. The Incredible Hulk live action TV series from the 70s was a massive culture phenomenon which has led to the Hulk having far more more pop culture references(“You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry”) than any Marvel character except arguably Spider-Man. While Wolverine was only known to comic readers and people who watched the Fox kids before the movies.
So after claiming video games makes characters into A listers now you want to dismiss a popular animated show that was far bigger than any video game. lol...nice try.
Are you talking about that horrible 70s TV show that never once broke into the top 25 in the ratings? ...Back when there was no cable for competition? Oh yeah...it was "massive". I notice you listed the ONE thing anyone knew about the show while implying there were more than that.
Naturally you don't want to talk about the fact that Logan was featured in just about every Fox movie while the Hulk languished in limbo and then was a mute non-character when he was in a movie. (Thank you Thor 3 for finally making the Hulk a real character) So yeah...Fox developed one character into an A lister over the past 18 years and that was Logan.
But again thanks for pointing out again how Marvel is able to put multiple characters in a movie and have the audience like all of them. So much better than the Wolverine and Friends Fox movies.
You seriously think you just pick one character from their movies and claim that proves they haven't established multiple characters over the past 10 years?
We now live in a world where Marvel can release a trailer for Infinity War and it breaks records for views as people see over a dozen characters they know and can't wait to see onscreen together.
Thor
Iron Man
Cap
Peter Quill
Spidey
Black Panther
Winter Soldier
Black Widow
Dr Strange
Gamora
Groot
Rocket
Drax
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Hulk
They've done such a good job they didn't even need to include Ant-Man....which many people wondered about.
This is an embarrassing blowout in Marvel's favor. Fox has been pathetic at developing characters and they've had 8 years longer to do it. Just comparing how well Marvel did with a group of unknown characters with GotG and how Fox epic failed with a group of known characters with FF is the best example ever in the difference between the two studios. Fox has had their butts kicked by Marvel in every way possible on a regular basis.
....Which of course I watched. I love the X-men. Too bad Fox didn't know how to make X-men films..
You got all of that wrong. The fact you got it so wrong and actually think you are right is telling. I watch every comic book movie obviously. Even the bad Fox ones. Sony and WB made some bad ones too and watched those as well. I sat through terrible things like the Wolverine movies, Suicide Squad, and Amazing Spider-Man crap and deserve credit for that!
But again that's not a problem any more. Good bye Fox...and good riddance. Can't wait to see the real X-men and FF in future Marvel movies.