There's no such thing as a loving God

There's no such thing as a loving God Mar 14, 2017 20:36:19 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 20:36:19 GMT

Mar 14, 2017 14:58:59 GMT general313 said:

Mar 14, 2017 8:58:28 GMT @miccee said:

Where's the evidence that humans can choose which thoughts to think before thinking them?

Where's the evidence to the contrary?

You're actually asking for evidence that people don't choose what to think before thinking it? Well here is evidence that our decisions are made before we are aware of them:

www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v11/n5/abs/nn.2112.html

www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/libet_experiments.html

Besides which, if we could choose our will, then we would need a will with which to choose our will. And a will with which to choose the will with which we choose our will, and so on...

Do people make that claim? I don't.

Most free will proponents limit it only to humans.

Occam's razor is the fallback position.

See, that's just the thing. Just because it was always assumed that we have free will, and that vaguely defined term is what emotionally comforts you, that doesn't make it the most parsimonious explanation. 'Occams Razor' =/= orthodoxy. At best, free will is a God of the Gaps argument, and an emotional security blanket. There is nothing in human behaviour which cannot be explained by determinism. Firstly, nobody has even been able to explain how free will could work alongside deterministic causal factors, much less set out why it is a more apt explanation for human behaviour than determinism. How would you propose that free will (in the libertarian sense) actually works? Can you provide ANY sources which might explain how free will would work alongside causal factors (such as our genes, our experiences as we grew up, the biases and predilections that we did not consciously choose to have)?

And if you cannot explain what free will is and how it works, then how can you possibly claim that to be the simplest explanation for human behaviour?