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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 13:12:42 GMT
tpfkar The family doesn't have to be involved in an assisted suicide, that would be their choice. So yes, a strawman argument. And it's nobody's business whether a person is assisted to die, other than the person receiving the assistance, and the person giving the assistance. You're suggesting that it's OK to force people to suffering because with your archaic religious principles, you would be "aghast" at the possibility that people could actually be supported in the right to choose. Everyone is involved via the state. And you over and over specifically bemoaned the fact that you couldn't involve your family and friends as they might bring in the authorities to stop you. So of course, straw absurdity, just another in a long line from you. I'm suggesting that any mentally competent person can trivially accomplish the end of their life if they've actually decided, and that the state should do no harm to those whose mental illness is speaking nor should it be used for liquid courage or a venue pure selfish vanity. Not at all, because it's better for me to suffer than for a greater number of people to suffer. So you're saying that people shouldn't get to have this right because of people with puritanical moral codes who cannot resist interfering in the affairs of others? They have to suffer because your puritanical Catholic sensibilities would be offended otherwise? Pretty much the same rationale that was always used to justify prohibiting pornography, sex outside of marriage, homosexuality, and the whole gamut. What if the suicidal person just went to a veterinarian and paid for Nembutal, not involving the state except for the fact that the state didn't have laws on the books based on religious delusions - why should that not be allowed? If suicide were legally above board and accessible through the state, then that would surely mean that one's family and friends wouldn't be able to have someone imprisoned just for having the wrong philosophy. I personally wouldn't mind all that much if I had to keep the secret to myself (because I wouldn't want anyone trying to exercise coercion over me), but the point is whether others would have the right to exercise violence, or call up authorities to exercise violence in order to prevent someone from dying through their own choice. And you've still failed to justify how you can ever be harming someone by assisting them to die peaceful, at that person's request, and there's no kind of afterlife in which they're going to be regretting their decision.
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