If I were to become an atheist...

If I were to become an atheist... Jan 24, 2018 12:55:35 GMT

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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 24, 2018 12:55:35 GMT

Jan 24, 2018 10:14:34 GMT Cody™ said:

I would need to believe that nothing produces everything"

Ans yet you don't want to apply that standard to God. Funny how that works.

The reason we don't apply that standard to God is because the law of cause and effect states that every material effect must have an adequate cause that existed before the effect. The key word is material. God is not a material effect, God is not made of matter. God is a spirit.

"non-life produces life"

I don't know how stuff works, therefore God.

Abiogenesis is impossible. I know that much.

"randomness produces fine-tuning"

The universe is hardly "fine tuned" if that's what you're referring too. You're just lucky to live on the livable speck of dust in space known as "Earth". And even then I don't consider a planet full of volcanoes, hurricanes, floods, tsunamis, earthquakes to be "fine tuned".

The universe has physical laws and constants inexplicably just right to support life.

To say the universe is "hardly fine tuned" is a statement of igorance my friend. When even scientists agree that "the universe is in several respects 'fine-tuned' for life".

"chaos produces information"

I'm not sure that means, if you're referring to DNA, that's not "information". Simply because ID proponents compare it to computer programing doesn't make it so.

"DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid ) carries design information between generations, and thus accounts for inherited biological traits (phenotypes )."

www.encyclopedia.com/science-and-technology/biology-and-genetics/genetics-and-genetic-engineering/dna

"unconsciousness produces consciousness"

Why not? We've seen it happen, a sperm cell is hardly "conscious".

And where does the sperm cell proceed from? That's right a conscious human being.

"non-reason produces reason."

I'm not even sure what that means, I'm just gonna label it gibberish.

I'd say you're being very unreasonable. 🙂

"The reason we don't apply that standard to God is because the law of cause and effect states that every material effect must have an adequate cause that existed before the effect. The key word is material. God is not a material effect, God is not made of matter. God is a spirit."

So mental gymnastics, gothcha.

"Abiogenesis is impossible. I know that much."

No you don't because that's never been scientifically proven.

"To say the universe is "hardly fine tuned" is a statement of igorance my friend."

No that's stating a simple fact, the majority of the universe that we actually know about is unlivable. Again you're just priviledge to live in a very small part of it that's actually habitable.

""DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid ) carries design information between generations, and thus accounts for inherited biological traits (phenotypes )."

Simple calling it "information" does not mean you get to just use it in the same context as a computer program. You're trying really desperatly to insert a grand "programmer" for DNA when there's nothing really there to suggest that. Tell me if DNA was created by an all knowing perfect being, why do organisms have useless junk DNA that basically does nothing? Why do organisms have DNA for vestigiality and other useless traits?

"And where does the sperm cell proceed from? That's right a conscious human being."

If you're referring to the evolution of the human brain, there's tons of research to explain it. You're free to Google it yourself.