Post by Arlon10 on Jan 24, 2018 13:14:29 GMT
Please do not misunderstood me, you are welcome to believe in whatever "science" you like. You are welcome to describe your beliefs however you like; as "in science" or "in god" or in something else of your own description.
I would just note that it isn't really an answer from "science" (by others' definition) any longer if you simply believe in it and cannot describe it in any detail.
It also isn't really "science" by others' definition if it does not appear in nature, if it is not at all evident in nature. That's the definition "supernatural."
We often see a complaint that just because we have no answer what (or who) did it is no good reason to assume a god did it. People who do think so are accused of having some mental defect. However that is exactly how it works, a mystery is indeed a mystery, at least until you otherwise solve it. Again with the waffling though, there are those who say (incorrectly) evolution has shown how life began in the first place and those who say the answers are not all in yet. Then there are the wafflers who say either depending on conditions.
As I have noted before in these discussions the whole point of denying the existence of a god is lost when you allow the existence of such "science" as some people do. It is no longer distinguishable from a god. Should you discover some molecule that can sing the choral to Beethoven's Ninth Symphony as it assembles a living thing from dead matter, that will be a thoroughly remarkable thing whether you call it a "god" or not.
No, I don't care what meanings you attempt to apply to words. All definitions are arbitrary. I always have and always will respect your right to use your own terms. It is essential to communication. I have merely noted, time and time again, that some definitions are more useful in communication than others. None of them are "right" or "wrong." However "gnostic theist" and "gnostic atheist" obviously cannot be useful at the same time. You have failed to assign any real life individuals to your categories on a consistent (useful) basis or with a consistent standard. Meanwhile the definitions I use are readily applied the same. Several people can agree which Democrats are "Christian Atheists." Several people can agree which Republicans are "Military Atheists." It is sometimes the case the individuals indeed self identify as such.

