Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 24, 2018 13:54:11 GMT
I would need to believe that nothing produces everything"
Ans yet you don't want to apply that standard to God. Funny how that works.
Ans yet you don't want to apply that standard to God. Funny how that works.
2. Causality needs certain parameters, like spacetime, to function as we know it. Spacetime likely doesn't exist in any meaningful sense on quantum levels, since spacetime is really just a relationship between matter and gravity, which either don't exist or exist very differently in a pre-universe state.
3. You have no proof any God (if one exists) isn't material.
4. All you've basically done is say "some things are allowed to exist without cause," and in doing that you have no way of showing that this only applies to God but not to anything natural that might've existed before the universe.
FWIW, if you read the book I linked to in my first post (A Universe from Nothing), we already have a good idea of how nothing but quantum field energy--which, AFAWK, are not caused, spaceless, timeless, and likely eternal--are capable of creating a universe. So if you're looking for the uncaused-cause, then Occam would go with quantum fields. .
To say the universe is "hardly fine tuned" is a statement of igorance my friend. When even scientists agree that "the universe is in several respects 'fine-tuned' for life".
2. The only way to argue that fine-tuning exists is to make a lot of assumptions, including the completely unfounded notion that carbon-based life is the only life possible. Plus, there have been discoveries that have explained certainly previously-thought fine-tuned parameters through more fundamental laws.
3. The odds against anything happening are not by themselves an argument for design. That's just not how probability works.
www.encyclopedia.com/science-and-technology/biology-and-genetics/genetics-and-genetic-engineering/dna
"unconsciousness produces consciousness"
Why not? We've seen it happen, a sperm cell is hardly "conscious".
Why not? We've seen it happen, a sperm cell is hardly "conscious".

