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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 25, 2018 7:12:40 GMT
You might think it is an especially different sort of belief if it is in science, but it is not. Either you can do the science yourself or you are just a believer. If you are just a believer then it is no longer "science" no matter who else can do whatever science. How long are you going to keep up this bit of nonsense? All beliefs are not equal. All beliefs do not require "faith." Believing the sun will rise or explode tomorrow are both beliefs, but one is based on reason and the other is based on nothing. Trying to pretend that they require the same level of faith in order to believe is just wrong. Similarly, belief in science exists because the proof science works is all around us. It's present in the very machine that I'm typing this reply on. Every time I open my icebox, drive in my car, talk on the phone, flush a toilet, play guitar, watch a movie... what can you do these days that is not a reminder of the triumphs of science? So, believing what science says is a direct result of science having proven what it says it knows is true. If religion had ever done this, religion wouldn't require much faith either. If faith healers had as much success as doctors/modern medicine, they'd be as wealthy as doctors. Plus, if any religious believers could walk on water, raise the dead, or do half the miracles in The Bible, we'd also believe what they said even if we couldn't do what they did. There's a RATIONAL tendency in humans to believe in things that prove their correctness, even if we can't produce the same proof ourselves. This shouldn't be conflated with believing in things that provide absolutely zero proof, or evidence of any kind, that they're true, which describes all religions. When people believe in a god it is often not because they believe they have found a "good explanation," it is sometimes because they have not found one. This is one of the truest things you've ever said. You've just described "god of the gaps," and pretty much explains ALL belief in God (not just some). Looking historically, how successful has using God to explain unexplained phenomena been? Lightning? Rain? Earthquakes? Sickness/Disease? Seems like it's batting a perfect 0. One of the things that made the fictional character Mr. Spock such a good scientist was his lack of emotion. Faith is faith no matter what the faith is in whether science or religion or anything else. It is just your emotional preference for what you believe is "science" that makes any difference to you. The reality not colored by emotion is that relativity is no more "proven" than anything in religion. It is very highly speculative and outside the reach of common laboratories. I'm not saying speculation is bad. Sometimes it is all we have or ever will have. I'm just saying that you are confusing the certainty of science with speculation and your faith is really just as much faith as any other. So quit fooling yourself. You might as well. You're not fooling anyone else.
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