If you believe in life after death (redux) ....

If you believe in life after death (redux) .... Feb 8, 2018 20:04:10 GMT

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Feb 8, 2018 19:52:23 GMT cupcakes said:

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Feb 8, 2018 19:42:20 GMT @miccee said:

Alright, well I don't understand what you consider to be different about the way decisions get made compared to how I think about decisions come to be made. Merely that your way contains 'free will', which seemingly cannot be isolated from the deterministic process that I've outlined. I don't think that you understand either.

I know you don't understand "much", not even you own mind. trumpshrug

It comes down to you fielding "deterministic" to impute some magic upon the non-remarkable cause & effect, of which we're all a constituent part of. "Free will", for anyone without tendentious purpose just means that we do what we choose according to our desires and our characteristics. You just think you can field "deterministic yields no free will", for your purposeful, incoherent definition of free will, as you say as a weapon against religion, even though you behave completely irrationally for someone who actually believes no real choice exists.

We're the product of our inputs and our doings, as is easily known by the minimally competent and noncontroversial for all not trying to work something out of it.

And if society wants the fairest possible state of affairs, that would mean no humans and no society.

If you actually understood properly, you wouldn't think that there was anything irrational about me trying to convince people on the Internet to have beliefs tomorrow which are different from what they are today, because nothing that I've stated implies that a person's opinions remain static throughout their life. Any definition of 'free will' other than that which posits that human minds operate independently of causality is not sufficient for Christians to shift blame from God on to humanity (or claim that absolutely anyone can become 'saved'). Therefore, novastar (and other Christians) are clearly alluding to a version of free will which you are suggesting that you don't believe exists, but aren't being very clear about because you perhaps don't want to reject it even though you can ostensibly see that it is incoherent. And from your response it comes across as though you are conceding that novastar's interpretation of free will (the incoherent one that would need to exist in order to support her beliefs) is a verifiable aspect of reality.