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If you believe in life after death (redux) .... Feb 10, 2018 12:16:04 GMT

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Post by cupcakes on Feb 10, 2018 12:16:04 GMT

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Feb 10, 2018 11:28:27 GMT @miccee said:

Feb 8, 2018 20:28:37 GMT cupcakes said:

If I understood as you do, I'd likely be under close watch. trumpshrug

You've said that you and everyone have no real choice; yet you quite frantically try to get them to choose differently. That there is no "real" choice may or may not be the true case, highly dependent on how you interpret things, but if you truly "know" that you and they are as you say just preprogrammed robots without real choice, then choosing to try to get them to choose differently without laughing at yourself at the crazy self-contradiction the molecules of fate are making your fingers do to the keyboard is unadulterated high irrationality. More evidence is the suggestion that I implied your position implied peoples' opinions remained static. I only laugh at you choosing to work hard to to get them to change when no matter what you choose to do, according to you, whether lying down in front of a train or getting possession of the treasured nuke suitcase could possibly make any difference one way or the other. Sure if one or the other happens it's a different scenario, but according to you, you're just a robot and really had "real" no input at all. Do you think player pianos get intensely emotional? Would it be rational for them to if they had a consciousness and knew they weren't really choosing the tunes?

As for Christians, all the have to do is say "magic!, free will exists" and there's nothing you can do about it. What you can do is point out that God had to be either impotent or a bastard to set some up and not others. The good ones are still good and the sh!tty ones are still sh!tty, but the new bit is God is culpable for whatever they are.

That things will only go one way is another uncontroversial thing that you try to work for purpose. People are still in there as a constituent part of it choosing and doing and making it go that way according to their desires and characteristics.

Harvard Professor Steven Pinker on Why We Refuse to See the Bright Side, Even Though We Should

Your point doesn't even make sense. Of course hearing other opinions is one causal deterministic factor which results in other people changing their mind. And the way that I act, including how I feel about the way I act is predetermined and there's no possibility for me to act or feel other than I have done. I'm a conduit for change (whether it's the change I want or otherwise), and it could not be any different, as not to act is an option which is always impossible.

Your inability to read coupled with your complete irrationality makes perfect sense. trumpshrug

I just pointed out that their "mind" changed. Not for anything you "chose" to do. And I pointed out directly that I understand that, according to your beliefs, you have absolutely no choice but to appear absolutely irrational in your thinking, as the gods of the Great Clack pre-destined since (before?)(the beginning of?) time. Just as by your beliefs I was pre-determined to mock the hilarity of the "thinking". (Emojipedia 5.0) Crazy Face

Things only ever happening one way is not controversial. That's how it should go anywhere but in shattered-mind land.

Morally I would be fine with post-birth abortions, but I realise that this would probably be too radical to ever be implemented.