Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 0:16:44 GMT
tpfkar
Feb 10, 2018 11:28:27 GMT @miccee said:
Your point doesn't even make sense. Of course hearing other opinions is one causal deterministic factor which results in other people changing their mind. And the way that I act, including how I feel about the way I act is predetermined and there's no possibility for me to act or feel other than I have done. I'm a conduit for change (whether it's the change I want or otherwise), and it could not be any different, as not to act is an option which is always impossible.
I just pointed out that their "mind" changed. Not for anything you "chose" to do. And I pointed out directly that I understand that, according to your beliefs, you have absolutely no choice but to appear absolutely irrational in your thinking, as the gods of the Great Clack pre-destined since (before?)(the beginning of?) time. Just as by your beliefs I was pre-determined to mock the hilarity of the "thinking". 
Things only ever happening one way is not controversial. That's how it should go anywhere but in shattered-mind land.
Morally I would be fine with post-birth abortions, but I realise that this would probably be too radical to ever be implemented.
Clearly the fact that there is only one choice available is controversial, given that I'm not sure whethe you accept that as the truth, and it is clear that the theists you've been indulging with their belief in free will believe that God gave them the ability NOT to be limited to just one possible choice at any given juncture. It's clear that, to them, free will means something more than the ability to choose the only option available to them as a consequence of a long chain of causality.