If you believe in life after death (redux) ....

If you believe in life after death (redux) .... Feb 11, 2018 23:37:46 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 23:37:46 GMT

Feb 11, 2018 0:47:07 GMT cupcakes said:

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Feb 11, 2018 0:16:44 GMT @miccee said:

Well I know that I only appear irrational to those who wish to retain some sense of mystery and sanctity about human life. But in any case, everything that I have done up to this point has been unavoidable.

Clearly the fact that there is only one choice available is controversial, given that I'm not sure whethe you accept that as the truth, and it is clear that the theists you've been indulging with their belief in free will believe that God gave them the ability NOT to be limited to just one possible choice at any given juncture. It's clear that, to them, free will means something more than the ability to choose the only option available to them as a consequence of a long chain of causality.

There's no "mystery and sanctity" with "get it while you can before you're dirt".

Moreover, it may be possible to spray a chemical in the world's air, or add something to the water supply that would prevent women from becoming pregnant. It wouldn't be necessary to ban sex. Alternatively, we could develop an AI that would peacefully and swiftly wipe out all sentient organisms on Earth, perhaps by releasing some kind of toxin into the air.

But of course, you miss out the crucial part where you start channeling the Pope to dictate that people shouldn't be empowered to exercise contol over their own existence by being assisted to opt out if they determine that the suffering isn't worth it. Because if it weren't for what was causing them to want to die, they wouldn't want to die and we have to protect people from harm by forcing them to endure harm and making sure that they can't avoid being harmed.

Nope, things only happening one way, much like us part & parcel of the cause and effect, is the the only thing rational and coherent, as opposed to your "choosing" to furiously attempt to get others to "choose" while simultaneously holding that real choice doesn't exist, or your demands for infinite regression to be a part of free will, your comical "imposition" of birthing and letting them decide but not of force-terminating by your own bloodlust, your delusion that your morals come from an Objective but the morals of athei-, whoops, I mean sane people who want to experience while things last and not mass murder everybody are just subjective. And of course the whole poison the atmosphere nuke the world teenage goth anarchist psychopath dreams.

Cause & effect is what we're part of and do with our free will. Making choices according to our preferences & who we are every day all day long. Regardless of your morbid pathetic mousy-murderous needs.

If there's only one choice you can make, that's not free. Especially when, because of the perspective from which you're inexorably approaching the choice, that one choice is frequently harmful to your own wellbeing and that of others.