If you believe in life after death (redux) ....

If you believe in life after death (redux) .... Feb 11, 2018 23:54:49 GMT

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Post by cupcakes on Feb 11, 2018 23:54:49 GMT

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Feb 11, 2018 23:37:46 GMT @miccee said:

Feb 11, 2018 0:47:07 GMT cupcakes said:

There's no "mystery and sanctity" with "get it while you can before you're dirt".

Moreover, it may be possible to spray a chemical in the world's air, or add something to the water supply that would prevent women from becoming pregnant. It wouldn't be necessary to ban sex. Alternatively, we could develop an AI that would peacefully and swiftly wipe out all sentient organisms on Earth, perhaps by releasing some kind of toxin into the air.

But of course, you miss out the crucial part where you start channeling the Pope to dictate that people shouldn't be empowered to exercise contol over their own existence by being assisted to opt out if they determine that the suffering isn't worth it. Because if it weren't for what was causing them to want to die, they wouldn't want to die and we have to protect people from harm by forcing them to endure harm and making sure that they can't avoid being harmed.

Nope, things only happening one way, much like us part & parcel of the cause and effect, is the the only thing rational and coherent, as opposed to your "choosing" to furiously attempt to get others to "choose" while simultaneously holding that real choice doesn't exist, or your demands for infinite regression to be a part of free will, your comical "imposition" of birthing and letting them decide but not of force-terminating by your own bloodlust, your delusion that your morals come from an Objective but the morals of athei-, whoops, I mean sane people who want to experience while things last and not mass murder everybody are just subjective. And of course the whole poison the atmosphere nuke the world teenage goth anarchist psychopath dreams.

Cause & effect is what we're part of and do with our free will. Making choices according to our preferences & who we are every day all day long. Regardless of your morbid pathetic mousy-murderous needs.

If there's only one choice you can make, that's not free. Especially when, because of the perspective from which you're inexorably approaching the choice, that one choice is frequently harmful to your own wellbeing and that of others.

No, I didn't miss the part where you're a religious wacko projecting wildly. Wanting to forcefully violate countless and kill everyone for your death cult, even the other deranged, as opposed to supporting them to get through their illness. You even called successful treatment for them "brainwashing". And of course your really truly sane brilliance that killing someone instantly by putting a bullet into their brain not is "harming" them. And your further "libertarian" care for the mentally ill of wishing to make them available for sexual mutilation and as human meals for predators, as long as the mentally ill "assent" to it. And regardless of the ridiculousness of your patent illogic, even if one stipulated free will via some magic or another like your Great Objective, things would still only happen one way.

Does Free Will Exist?