Post by cupcakes on Feb 13, 2018 17:11:00 GMT
tpfkar
Feb 13, 2018 17:00:52 GMT @miccee said:
And I understand that you can't conceive the hypothetical existence of "Dragons, unicorns, fairies" for the purposes of discussion. For some combination of raw tendentiousness and profound incompetence.
Objective as in existing outside of minds, or objective as in unbiased and universal.
Being anti-suicide is always either a religious/spiritual position, or an authoritarian one. In the first instance, the person who wants to commit suicide is at the mercy of the high value that others place on that person's humanity. In other words, that person is not being denied assistance to die in order to conserve the person's own valuation of their own life; but to conserve society's valuation of human life. In the second case, the government would deny the right to suicide because it would potentially reduce the tax revenue, deprive society of a productive worker, etc. You don't seem to be arguing against suicide on a purely authoritarian basis, but from a valuation standpoint. Since you've admitted that the dead person is not deprived of the value of their own life, then you can only be arguing to conserve the intangible value of that person's life from the perspective of society.
And I know, you want the mentally ill available for fellow-minded psychopaths to sexually mutilate, cannibalize, and gut, just as long as the mentally ill person "says that they wish" it. 
It's only considered "coercion" to help the deranged, and "brainwashing" to successfully treat the mentally ill, by those pathetic abusive wholly narcissistic bloodthirsty psychopaths who teenage-goth-anarchist fantasize of mas violating women and mass-murdering countless. And now your rabid religious self rattling on about "authoritarian". 
And I've admitted that a lot of your demented ideas are demented. I'm arguing that "go at it until you're dirt", and "don't harm, especially the mentally ill" are good things, and of course mass-violation of women, mass murder, and patent irrationality among many other things you advocate are baaad things.They could refrain from imposing on others, or be sterilised to prevent them from doing so.