There's no such thing as a loving God

There's no such thing as a loving God Mar 16, 2017 23:01:44 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 23:01:44 GMT

Mar 15, 2017 13:08:27 GMT cupcakes said:

@miccee said: Of course people are going to choose based on what they are and all of their characteristics. But there is no scope in your argument for any part of the will which is 'free'. You can't explain how free will works alongside deterministic factors. Where does the 'free' part of our will kick in, if factors outwith our control are helping to form our decisions (e.g. forming the non-free part of our will)?

As in not independently imposed, as in any normal use of the word "free" in this context, and as people have meant it forever, not some contrived partisan definition, introduced for tendentious purpose.

And regardless, clockwork determinism has not been established.

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If you're talking about compatibilist free will (or Hipster (TM) brand free will as I call it), then that would be a significant walk back from what you were arguing before. Perhaps this is the closest it gets to you ever admitting that you're wrong.

Regardless, libertarian free will is the most common conception of free will, and also the one that Christians require in order to exculpate God from the presence of evil.

www.theopedia.com/libertarian-free-will

As this is a religion forum, this is the conceptualisation of free will which will be discussed.

And even if 'clockwork determinism' does not best describe the nature of reality, that still does nothing to help libertarian free will. Because if quantum randomness causes us to make random decisions, then that is 'random will' or 'chaotic will', not free will.