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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 18, 2018 19:31:28 GMT
They were still taking shots at the voice then too, which is why the complaints about it are acceptable by Nolanites. He was. He succeeded at EVERYTHING because blowing up the yachts wasn't his real plan, corrupting Dent was. Of course, if Gordon and Batman had brains they'd have been able to spin that in a way that protected Dent but Nolan didn't think about that. Of all the things that BB was criticized for back in the day, the bat-voice was not one of them. Again, that didn’t become a prominent complaint until TDK. Getting the people in those ferries to blow each other up was a pretty important part of his plan. His goal was to prove that people are inherently selfish and murderous. The fact that the people on the boats refused to go through with it was a pretty big problem for his plan. Dent was his backup plan but not his only plan. It was still a critique that started before TDK though. No matter how minor, it's the reason why Nolanites are okay critiquing that but nothing exclusive to TDK. His plan was always to corrupt or ruin Batman and Dent was always the biggest part of that. The yachts were the secondary thing. Of course, him being able to rig the boats to blow was part of his omnipotence too. And if Gordon and Batman had any brains they wouldn't have needed to have Batman take the fall for Dent and just cover up Dents' actions another way, but the plot needed them to be idiots and Joker omnipotent.
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