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If you could be a God... Mar 31, 2018 18:38:39 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 18:38:39 GMT

Mar 31, 2018 18:21:20 GMT cupcakes said:

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Mar 31, 2018 4:27:17 GMT @miccee said:

If there were an easy, reliable and pain free way of dying without the need for chemicals, it would have been publised in the Peaceful Pill eHandbook. "Right to die" means the right to Nembutal, or whatever else someone might want to use to bring about death. A "right" doesn't equate to something that you might choose to do in secrecy, using your own resourcefulness, which you would be stopped from completing if caught whilst doing it and likely imprisoned as a consequence thereof. No doubt that whilst homosexuality was still illegal, the Christian right wing were saying that homosexuals had a 'right' to have sex with each other based on the fact that they couldn't be practically stopped from doing so, provided that it was kept a secret and that every care was taken to make sure that nobody ever found out (because legal action would otherwise result). So why bother to legalise the act, if that's what a 'right' is.

"Vulnerable be damned" means forcing the vulnerable to be tortured by their vulnerabilities with no recourse except 'treatments' that have already been tried and failed. It doesn't mean offering them the peaceful and humane end to their suffering that they have requested in no uncertain terms. But in your valuation system, suffering is meaningless and death is the only consideration, so an end to conscious experience where harm cannot be experienced is somehow the most harmful outcome of all, even when this is what the person concerned expressly wished for and was desperate to bring about.

What the non-existent don't need isn't saying anything about impositions on the non-existent, it is stating that they can't be imposed upon and it isn't a condition from which anybody needs to be rescued.

Nah, as a short paragraph titled "How Countless Have Done It", subtitled "How Can you be so Narcissistic, Lazy and Stupid" wouldn't be so popular with the projecting self-wallflowers murdrous dreaming or otherwise, nor allow for crusades by crazies that congregate on youtube these days. And if you act mentally ill, then people treat you like you might be Thankfully so, and not like your desired dystopia where fellow predators can sexually cannibalize and gut the mentally ill, or do anything else to them if you can get the poor diminished victims to assent to your psychopathic crazy. And you may very well think that homosexuality is self-harming mental illness. trumpshrug

The fact that it's not doesn't lead anybody with a mind not shattered to want society to ignore everything else in the world.

And "vulnerable be damned" is just a summation of the callous and pathological "believing" if some distraught kid breaking up offs himself then no harm was done in any circumstance. Or if you or another psychopath put a bullet into his brainpain, no harm no foul if he never knew about it. Sorry, mostly baseline healthy-minded people would like such situations avoided and the distraught instead treated, or as you like to say "brainwashed".

Going on and on about what the nonexistent don't need and the need for sterilization, and even mass murder as antidote to the "imposition" of just letting them have the easily rejected option, is just sample your par-for-the course crazytime.

"Non-consciousness cannot be turned into some form of torture, and therefore I believe that it is morally unacceptable to put someone at risk of harm for a gain which is both ephemeral and unnecessary. The positive is unnecessary, because nothing would have been lost and there would be no deprivation in the event that consciousness were not created to begin with. Whether you are a deity creating sentient life, or a parent procreating."

Who is being put at risk now? Keep jabbering about those that don't exist. (Emojipedia 5.0) Crazy Face

Or how you're not as you continuously do and introduce babble-talk about them being "rescued" or it's opposite or what-babble-not. (Emojipedia 5.0) Crazy Face

On that note, you've also called me "deranged", which is the mental illness equivalent of "n*****"

Philip Nitschke and Exit International only want to help people die in a way that works reliably, is not risky, and if possible, does not cause pain. If you look at the statistics on how people have successfully committed suicide, it's usually by hanging (which is risky, terrifying and uncomfortable), shooting (in many parts of the world, ordinary people do not have access to guns), jumping from a great height or in front of a fast moving vehicle (which is risky and disturbs and potentially traumatises other people). Neither myself nor the philosophers that I follow on Youtube are of any threat to any 'vulnerable' person, because we believe in allowing people to make their own choices. We aren't looking for people to coerce into killing themselves; we believe that those who want to die and have sought out assistance to do so out of their own volition should be allowed to access that assistance.

Allowing homosexuality to be legal has more or less the same negative consequences as assisted dying does. It offends the religious sensibilities of those who believe that the act is immoral, and it upsets the families of those concerned. Same thing with abortion, in which case a foetus is terminated and prevented from having the 'chance to have a blast', but yet in those instances, you find that morally unproblematic.

Claiming that I don't want people to have the right to treatment is another libellous strawman, and I've even suggested a compromise in terms of a right to die law that would still privilege your religious beliefs to a degree that is unwarranted. Meanwhile, you are perfectly content to ignore and/or downplay the cases where the person still cannot be helped to live a healthy life even after numerous courses of psychiatric treatment, spanning the course of many years. A bit of psychological collateral damage is fine, as long as isn't you being damaged, right?

As ever, the person being put at risk would be whomever comes into existence as a consequence of the selfish and reckless actions of imposers.