If you could be a God...

If you could be a God... Apr 1, 2018 7:01:43 GMT

Quote

Post by Arlon10 on Apr 1, 2018 7:01:43 GMT

Apr 1, 2018 6:45:06 GMT @miccee said:

Apr 1, 2018 6:35:59 GMT Arlon10 said:

   You admit some suicidal attempts were faked. No, I do not assume that makes them all fake. It does however raise the important question which are fake and which are not. How do you tell?

    The man who shot off his face is not a representative of the general person who wants to commit suicide. How many times does something like that happen? Do you have only that one example? That man's thinking appears severely disoriented. If so, his desire to die might be totally irrational as well and as even you would agree. There is no making sense of the activities of some psychotics.

   I'm not making anything my business. That's the whole point. Without knowing who truly wants to die it isn't my business who does. Why can't you see it isn't your business either?

Of course some of the suicide attempts were fake. Which ones were fake isn't relevant to a scenario where you'd be offering people a method that would be guaranteed to be successful. The fakers would just continue to swallow a handful of pills from the medicine cabinet, given that they don't want the chemicals that would actually kill them.

There are many people who attempt suicide and end up maimed. On the Dignitas website I can remember reading about a man who jumped from a multistory carpark and ended up badly disabled and incontinent. It happens every day. There was also a TV celebrity here in the UK who ran out in front of someone's van on a busy road. The celebrity survived (he was badly injured but recovered), but a driver who stopped to comfort him was so badly traumatised by seeing the injuries that he himself later committed suicide:

www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/driver-involved-clarke-carlisle-suicide-9596623

You are making it your business by supporting laws that make it illegal for people to seek assistance in dying. Nobody's asking you to personally kill anybody; that has never been the issue. It isn't my business who wants to choose to die, and therefore I support laws that don't allow anyone to interfere with someone else's right to choose. If people have the right to access drugs that will always work, then only people who actually want to die will choose that method. Therefore your objection concerning people who don't really want to die doesn't even make sense here.

I'm leaving this granting that you have good intentions. Nevertheless you have utterly failed to convince me that you would know who should be assisted to commit suicide and who should not. That means yes, others will probably pass laws against suicide.

I'm sure all sorts of people do themselves all sorts of harm. I mentioned at the outset that some probably have convinced themselves on some level that they want to die. Maiming themselves isn't proof of that though. Perhaps they meant less harm and miscalculated. Perhaps suicidal intentions come and go. You have an overly simplistic view.