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If you could be a God... Apr 1, 2018 7:06:21 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 7:06:21 GMT

Apr 1, 2018 7:01:43 GMT Arlon10 said:

Apr 1, 2018 6:45:06 GMT @miccee said:

Of course some of the suicide attempts were fake. Which ones were fake isn't relevant to a scenario where you'd be offering people a method that would be guaranteed to be successful. The fakers would just continue to swallow a handful of pills from the medicine cabinet, given that they don't want the chemicals that would actually kill them.

There are many people who attempt suicide and end up maimed. On the Dignitas website I can remember reading about a man who jumped from a multistory carpark and ended up badly disabled and incontinent. It happens every day. There was also a TV celebrity here in the UK who ran out in front of someone's van on a busy road. The celebrity survived (he was badly injured but recovered), but a driver who stopped to comfort him was so badly traumatised by seeing the injuries that he himself later committed suicide:

www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/driver-involved-clarke-carlisle-suicide-9596623

You are making it your business by supporting laws that make it illegal for people to seek assistance in dying. Nobody's asking you to personally kill anybody; that has never been the issue. It isn't my business who wants to choose to die, and therefore I support laws that don't allow anyone to interfere with someone else's right to choose. If people have the right to access drugs that will always work, then only people who actually want to die will choose that method. Therefore your objection concerning people who don't really want to die doesn't even make sense here.

I'm leaving this granting that you have good intentions. Nevertheless you have utterly failed to convince me that you would know who should be assisted to commit suicide and who should not. That means yes, others will probably pass laws against suicide.

I'm sure all sorts of people do themselves all sorts of harm. I mentioned at the outset that some probably have convinced themselves on some level that they want to die. Maiming themselves isn't proof of that though. Perhaps they meant less harm and miscalculated. Perhaps suicidal intentions come and go. You have an overly simplistic view.

I don't care what you're "granting". Your objection is absolutely irrelevant to assistance in dying to those who want it and know that they will never wake up from taking the poison. I've seen footage from suicide clinics, and they always tell the patient, in no uncertain terms, that if they choose to imbibe the poison, that the decision will be irreversible. My standard for who should be allowed to be assisted to commit suicide is very simple - anyone who wants to commit suicide. Hope that makes it clearer for you.

Nobody shoots themselves through the skull or jumps off a multistorey carpark thinking that they're going to do hardly any damage and are just going to get the sympathy and pity that they need in order to continue with their lives. Whether suicide intentions come and go or not isn't irrelevant, because they will no longer come and go when the person has died and the person will never feel deprived of anything that they may have experienced had they decided against suicide or had religious tyrants implemented laws which disallowed them the right to control over their own body.