Post by cupcakes on Apr 4, 2018 22:43:10 GMT
tpfkar
Apr 3, 2018 18:40:18 GMT @miccee said:
"It's irrational to suggest that you can consent on anyone else's behalf, because that isn't how consent works."
Righto, you can't consent on their behalf to kill them or consent on their behalf prevent them from coming into existence. Except in patent crazyland. You can let them decide when they're able, of course.
It is an act of imposition, based on the desires of those who are capable of bestowing life. To impose on someone without their consent is an act of violence.
In the case of a foetus, it is only by the actions of the aggressor that they are forced into a highly risky environment and are saddled with debts that can only be fully paid off upon death. In that scenario, the foetus isn't morally relevant (which is agreed by proponents of the right to abortion) and don't have anything invested in their own continued existence. Therefore, the morally correct thing to do is to deny the aggressor the right to impose risk and harm upon someone who could not consent. It can't be against the values of the foetus to do so, or against anything that they already have invested in their own future, and can only save them from future harm. And you're in favour of aggressive state intervention to deny people the choice to decide, and if they're never 'able' (by your standard), then they're going to have to suffer until the limit has been reached in terms of how long medical technology can forcibly prolong their life. The only option that you have for those who, by your definition, are not 'mentally competent' to decide to die, or complete suicide effectively, is to hope that eventually a treatment will come along so that they can graduate from an existence of relentless torture to the type of tolerably mundane existences that most people have. Absolutely no guarantee of being able to grant them their relief of course, but life is so infinitely valuable that they'll just have to accept the fact that their constant suffering is collateral damage that people are willing to impose on unfortunate others.

And of course your theatrical sobs of "aggressor", "highly risky environment", "saddled with debts", "morally relevant", "agreed by proponents of the right to abortion", is simply more of your pure Arlorwillijabbering for "great benefactor", "hopefully highly protected and loving environment", "gifted and supported in the option to have a total blast", "miccee farcical insanity number $", and "miccee uproarious nonsensical derangement number Θ". In addition to "therefore", "correct", "impose", "harm", "aggressive state intervention", "deny", "eventually", "graduate", "relentless torture", "tolerably mundane", "collateral damage", etc., etc., deliciously fanatical madhatter et-cetera. Continuous Pure coo-coo land stuff.
On that note, you've also called me "deranged", which is the mental illness equivalent of "n*****"
